montyburns56 Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 21 hours ago, Simon Bendall said: These are different wagons, originally used for Pedigree petfoord traffic from Melton Mowbray. DRS used some for a month-long milk trial but only one was loaded. Charterail Wow, I'd never even heard of that until now. It looks like yet another failed intermodal concept to add to all the others. By Richard 4 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 12 minutes ago, montyburns56 said: Wow, I'd never even heard of that until now. It looks like yet another failed intermodal concept to add to all the others. By Richard It did not fail it was the company that was formed that did but government stupidity did not allow a way forward to keep the traffic on rail and as such went to road! 1 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
montyburns56 Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 NCB Internal user tippler wagons at Desford Colliery 1983 by Jamerail 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
montyburns56 Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 Internal user wagon at Desford Colliery 1983 ex-LNER diag 207 Loco coal wagon according to some random guy on the the internet. By Jamrail 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 2 hours ago, montyburns56 said: Internal user wagon at Desford Colliery 1983 ex-LNER diag 207 Loco coal wagon according to some random guy on the the internet. By Jamrail The rest of the train seems to have some interesting types as well. Two different types of GWR Loco Coal for a start. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 21 minutes ago, Fat Controller said: The rest of the train seems to have some interesting types as well. Two different types of GWR Loco Coal for a start. More interesting is 70 or 70D as this is a rebuilt wagon but not one I have seen before! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
montyburns56 Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 Drain Train DW150421 Crewe Gresty Lane 1986 by Jamerail DB749671 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lather Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 8 hours ago, montyburns56 said: Drain Train DW150421 Crewe Gresty Lane 1986 by Jamerail DB749671 "Let the train take the drain"?..... (Showing my age a little there!) 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
montyburns56 Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 Ex LMS tender ADM 1629 and ex BR Medfit ADB458606 at Ferme Park 1981 by Jamerail 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastwestdivide Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 1 hour ago, montyburns56 said: at Ferme Park … with “return to water softening plant Derby” and “to work within the Sheffield Division” respectively! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
montyburns56 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 The stripes on the brake van look like they've been applied really crudely. ex LMS Brake van & Fish Van W87674 at Warrington 1980 by Jamerail. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doilum Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 On 07/07/2021 at 18:31, montyburns56 said: NCB Internal user tippler wagons at Desford Colliery 1983 by Jamerail Excellent photos. I haven't seen the top side barge boards before. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 Are they for some sort of rubber tyre drive ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doilum Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 9 hours ago, Wickham Green too said: Are they for some sort of rubber tyre drive ? Possibly, although there are no directional scars. If I recall correctly, the MGR hoppers often had rubber deposits along the top edge from some kind off guide wheel in the rapid loading towers. The bucket on a dirt can was a gravity fit and perhaps this was to ensure they didn't shift during loading under a particularly tight set of screens. They would not have helped the unloading process. It is possible that they were moving a particularly sloppy mix of coal waste and water and allowed them to be filled to full capacity. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 Positioned where they are, the boards are largely below the lip of the skip - so unless there was a mechanism for raising them, they'd have a limited effect on capacity. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doilum Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, Wickham Green too said: Positioned where they are, the boards are largely below the lip of the skip - so unless there was a mechanism for raising them, they'd have a limited effect on capacity. Agreed. They would prevent the overfill slopping down the sides and on to the running gear. Perhaps they were not a permanent addition and the extra depth counter balanced metal bars which hooked over the top rail and down the inside of the skip. Another possibility is that they have something to do with the emptying process. These unloved wagons had a habit of losing their skip at any opportunity to embarrass the shunter. The dirt run out to Fairburn had several abandoned examples pushed out into the weeds by the payloader. Perhaps these were intended to empty at a fixed discharge point and the bargeboard prevented the skip from rotating beyond the horizontal. Whilst most if not all the Yorkshire examples were used for waste tipping ( and the transfer of coal to stockpiles) I think I have read the Kent area also used them for regular internal coal traffic. Any information welcome! Edited July 12, 2021 by doilum 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
montyburns56 Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 Leyton Depot 1981 by Jamerail "Note that the wagon in the foreground is a conversion from the rare 21T cupboard door mineral wagons" 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted July 12, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 12, 2021 38 minutes ago, montyburns56 said: Leyton Depot 1981 by Jamerail "Note that the wagon in the foreground is a conversion from the rare 21T cupboard door mineral wagons" Should be on the 'When the real thing looks like a model thread' 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastwestdivide Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 1 hour ago, montyburns56 said: Note that the wagon in the foreground is a conversion from the rare 21T cupboard door mineral wagons Note also that it's numbered as an internal user. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim.snowdon Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 1 hour ago, montyburns56 said: Leyton Depot 1981 by Jamerail "Note that the wagon in the foreground is a conversion from the rare 21T cupboard door mineral wagons" Actually an ex-LNER loco coal wagon, rather than a common mineral wagon. Cupboard doors, favoured by some Scottish wagon owners were provided for in the RCH standard designs, but I am not aware of any 20/21T versions, only 12/13T wagons. 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 4 hours ago, montyburns56 said: Leyton Depot 1981 by Jamerail "Note that the wagon in the foreground is a conversion from the rare 21T cupboard door mineral wagons" I remember that very wagon there. Photographed it in 1978 (slide film and the slide scanner's been on the blink, sorry). 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 14 hours ago, BernardTPM said: I remember that very wagon there. Photographed it in 1978 (slide film and the slide scanner's been on the blink, sorry). Also at Leyton 1979 https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/lnermineral/e648cb17 and Cond at Tinsley, presumably on its way to a scrap yard in 1983 https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/lnermineral/e1febb4d7 Paul 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
montyburns56 Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 (edited) Hereford Ex GWR 6 wheel milk tank, ADW44059, TDW2511 & DB749679M ex BR ferry tank by Jamerail Ex GWR, 6 wheel tank wagon, W3018 Edited July 13, 2021 by montyburns56 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 44059 should have been a 1937 built L.M.S. dia.1994 tanker - and that's certainly what it looks like ....... so why the 'W' prefix ? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 11 hours ago, Wickham Green too said: 44059 should have been a 1937 built L.M.S. dia.1994 tanker - and that's certainly what it looks like ....... so why the 'W' prefix ? It appears to follow the coaching stock practice of changing the prefix when stock was transferred between regions. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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