Clerestory Coaches, Knowledge needed! - And other GWR ponderings.

[Re6/6]

Advice please on any source of Dean 6' 4" and 10'  bogies/frames or even just cast axleboxes.

 

Perseverence don't have anything at the moment.

 

Thanks

[Coach bogie]

Advice please on any source of Dean 6' 4" and 10'  bogies/frames or even just cast axleboxes.

 

Perseverence don't have anything at the moment.

 

Thanks

Roxey  produce GWR kits which use 6' 4" and 8' 6" bogies and may sell the components separate. They are brass fold up frames with separate castings for axlebox/spring.

 

http://www.roxeymouldings.co.uk/category/2/4mm-scale-gwr-coaches/

 

Mike Wiltshire

[johnarcher]

Advice please on any source of Dean 6' 4" and 10'  bogies/frames or even just cast axleboxes.

 

Perseverence don't have anything at the moment.

 

Thanks

I believe the Broad Gauge Society do an etched 6' 4" bogie (in both BG and SG), I think I have heard that non-members can buy, but I may be wrong.

[Mikkel]

I believe the Broad Gauge Society do an etched 6' 4" bogie (in both BG and SG), I think I have heard that non-members can buy, but I may be wrong.

 

 

Yes the BGS do the 6'4 and the 8'6 Dean bogies in standard gauge at £19 a pair. Here is their 6´4" kit out of my drawer, haven't built them yet so can't say how they are to make:

 

 

 

You can find them if you search for "bogies" here: http://www.broadgauge.org.uk/modelling/bgs_parts_prices_4mm.html

[Prometheus]

For completeness, having posted earlier on this...

 

Lightly weathered and now complete save for a tail-lamp.

 

 

Tony

[Satan's Goldfish]

This may be covered elsewhere, but why does the siphon G have end corridor connections?

 

As my GWR enterprise is train set in nature and I'm thinking of upping my train length to 4 bogie carriages, a 'G' may have to go with the 3 Hornby clerestory corridors. Even though it's out of era, rule 1 is in play.

[MarkAustin]

Having come late to this thread, some musings on the subject.

 

First, for any coaches of these types, you really need a copy of John Lewis' article on the subject in the 1981 Model Railway Constructor Annual. He unpicks pretty well all of the variants. They go for UKP 3-4  on ebay. Alternatively, PM me with an email address, and I'll send scans.

 

Despite the bewildering range of lengths of Dean period coaches, they were actually quite standardised.There were standard length compartments (e.g. End first, centre 3rd etc.) and the works simply slotted them together, and made an underframe to fit.

 

On the layout, looking at the latest plan, my inclination would be to assume that the loco stabling is off-scene ( a la Ranelegh Road at Paddington): this would allow longer platforms---the locos would be released, toddle of backwards of-stage, get turned and return for the outwards  journey.

 

Finally, a suggestion for a might-have-been: Rugby Great Western. This was proposed in the 19th Century and about 1/3 to 1/2 built, before the GWR got involved with the batting Shrewsburies, and changed it's mind and headed for Birmingham and Wolverhampton. I believe you can still  see the embankment that curves off the GWR line at the point where it was to head east to Rugby.

 

Mark A

[Prometheus]

Thanks for the tip about the annual Mark - just caught one for £2.81 post free !

 

Tony

[wagonman]

For completeness, having posted earlier on this...

 

Lightly weathered and now complete save for a tail-lamp.

 

 

Tony

 

Nice, but it's a shame the hand hole on the right hand doors is in the wrong place...  :-(

[Prometheus]

You weren't supposed to notice that. Not so easily distracted after all.....!

 

I was going to fill it and re-drill but left it as it was because I thought the slope of the louvres would make the filler too difficult to disguise. The holes should really have been square also but the closest tool I had was a pentagonal broach: consequently I just drilled 'em out.

 

Tony

Edited November 27, 2015 by Prometheus

[MikeOxon]

You weren't supposed to notice that. ....................................................

Next time, 'photoshop' the photo before loading to here

[Prometheus]

Next time, 'photoshop' the photo before loading to here

 

Shame on that man.

 

Oh, might do though...

 

Tony

[Satan's Goldfish]

Back from Warley, cheers MarkAustin for your comments above that may help with some of the planning. Picked up a couple of Ratio brake 3rds over the weekend and some brass sides for a family saloon and a comp with centre luggage to fiddle with. No locos, that would be pushing it after spending too much with the Garden Railway specialists on LGB!

[Re6/6]

Dean clerestory livery question.

 

Advice please on the time period of this livery and what would be a likely item of motive power?

 

I would assume that it would be found on a 'secondary/local' service. Thanks.

 

Picture taken from Coopercraft web page.

 

 

 

 

[BG John]

Pre change to all over brown in 1908, and probably in main line use, so any mainline passenger locos, none of which are available in early enough condition RTR as far as I know, except the Hornby Dean Single.

[wagonman]

Dean clerestory livery question.

 

Advice please on the time period of this livery and what would be a likely item of motive power?

 

I would assume that it would be found on a 'secondary/local' service. Thanks.

 

Picture taken from Coopercraft web page.

 

Slaters clerestory compo 1.jpg

 

 

This is an E37 composite built c1892 so still likely to be in use on mainline services even, in 1908, if not front-line stuff. They would look nice behind a 'City' or a Dean 'Single' but strictly more likely to be being hauled by a 'Bulldog' or one of the 2-4-0 classes none of which are available RtR.

 

The livery didn't disappear overnight in 1908 – some coaches could be seen in this livery as late as 1913.

[Re6/6]

Many thanks both. 

[Satan's Goldfish]

Can anyone explain the cost of Hornby/Triang 'Caledonian' coaches on ebay?! Who is paying £30+ for all those fictitious coaches made from moulds that don't compare to modern standards?! It's just confusing me.

[TheTurfBurner]

Dean clerestory livery question.

 

Advice please on the time period of this livery and what would be a likely item of motive power?

 

I would assume that it would be found on a 'secondary/local' service. Thanks.

 

Picture taken from Coopercraft web page.

 

Slaters clerestory compo 1.jpg

Do not be tempted to buy from the Cooper Craft web site. This business appears to have ceased trading and, if you place an order on the site, you will see neither your order or your money again.

[chrisf]

Do not be tempted to buy from the Cooper Craft web site. This business appears to have ceased trading and, if you place an order on the site, you will see neither your order or your money again.

 

Not entirely true.  As is well documented elsewhere the owner's moulding machine has given up the ghost but he is still to be seen at shows.  I bought something from him at Nottingham.  I agree that using the website is unlikely to be successful though.

 

Chris

[Edwardian]

What do we reckon these are?  Said to be an M Set, I believe that should make it 2 Van Thirds, Compo and Third.  Certainly the first coach is a Van Third and the second a Composite. The first coach appears to be non-ganwayed. 

Edited April 5, 2016 by Edwardian

[TheTurfBurner]

Not entirely true.  As is well documented elsewhere the owner's moulding machine has given up the ghost but he is still to be seen at shows.  I bought something from him at Nottingham.  I agree that using the website is unlikely to be successful though.

 

Chris

Yes - I see he is to attend Scalefour North (which is out of my range). If you are there, please ask him for return of my £30 - as all my efforts have met with silence!

[rue_d_etropal]

The original Triang clerestory coaches were used by many well known modellers at the time, and can easily be adapted for railways other than GWR. Sometimes wonder why Trianf and Hornb have only produced them in very limited number of liveries, but the far too short 4 wheeler has been produced in far more. This can be further extended by fitting an alternative non clestory roof. Interestingly the Wild West coach Triang produced was same length and its clerestory roof offers another version.

Now for a better short coach the Bachmann Thomas range 6 wheel clerestory coach has a lot of potential.

For all those purists, a very small minority compared to the vast majority in the hobby, man of which buy wonderfully detailed pre-grouping locos but have no coaches in suitable livery to run behind them, then producing or repainting these clerestory coaches in a range of pre-grouping liveries would be popular, If only Hornby had designed their longer clerestory coach with moulded detail, not printed.

Another option is the panels sided version of the Mk1 coach originally produced for the Caledonian single wheeler. It would not be that difficult to replace bogies and change underframe detail if you want. Personally I prefer the short clerestories because they are short so can make a layout look less crowded so looking bigger.

 

I have noticed that prices for old Triang and Hornby versions of the clerestory coach vary in price a lot.

[Satan's Goldfish]

The issue with the Bachmann 'Emily' Carriage is the clerestory doesn't go all the way to the roof ends like most/all UK prototypes do. Brilliant chassis though!

 

Speaking of which, picked up 3 more cheap 'palethorpes' chassis at the weekend. i may have to start building something soon. 

 

I like the M set above, that's the sort of thing i have in mind. is it just me or does the 3rd roof look more white than the other 3 carriages?

[BG John]

Now for a better short coach the Bachmann Thomas range 6 wheel clerestory coach has a lot of potential.

I hadn't seen that one before. It could be a good basis for some quick broad gauge coaches. Is it actually possible to get hold of them without paying an extortionate price, or silly postage from abroad plus potential import charges?