RMweb Gold martin_wynne Posted December 15, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 15, 2016 (edited) Apologies for the thread necromancy, but do we know any more about the DCC Concepts (Legacy Models?) points yet? I'm looking for layout planning type information - approximate length of point, departure angle, etc... It has been stated, in a non-committal sort of way, that it will be a B-7 turnout, or something like one*. There have also been suggestions that the gauge will be tightened a bit for better running, although maybe not to 00-SF. Likewise suggestions that the track centres will be correct to 45mm (Peco is 2" / 51mm). Here is a B-7 in 00-SF with generic crossing. The crossing angle is 1:7. The overall length to the mid-point of a crossover at 45mm centres is 282mm: The DCC Concepts turnout may look like this. Or not. * see: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/110254-dcc-concepts-oo-gauge-bullhead-turnouts/&do=findComment&comment=2274283 Martin. Edited December 18, 2016 by martin_wynne Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold martin_wynne Posted January 8, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 8, 2017 An interesting blog post about the difficulties in soldering DCC Concepts stainless steel rail: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/blog/1936/entry-18829-pointless/ Martin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rivrail Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 Congratulations to DCC concepts for having the courage to produce fine scale track & points. As Richard says- just let us get on with it ! So leave them alone to do thiis -if you've seen Frozen then "Let it Go" ! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buhar Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 I wonder if there is a risk of unwanted interference between the under loco magnets used for the Powerbase system and the steel rails at a crossing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Colin_McLeod Posted March 26, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 26, 2017 If stainless steel is magnetic I imagine it would help with the magnetic adhesion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junctionmad Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 Congratulations to DCC concepts for having the courage to produce fine scale track & points. As Richard says- just let us get on with it ! So leave them alone to do thiis -if you've seen Frozen then "Let it Go" ! Nonsense , we can discuss what we like , thanks for the back seat modding Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold martin_wynne Posted March 26, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 26, 2017 Congratulations to DCC concepts for having the courage to produce fine scale track & points. As Richard says- just let us get on with it ! So leave them alone to do thiis -if you've seen Frozen then "Let it Go" ! Not a good start to be telling RMweb members what they can and can't discuss in your very first post. Martin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayfield Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 Congratulations to DCC concepts for having the courage to produce fine scale track & points. As Richard says- just let us get on with it ! So leave them alone to do thiis -if you've seen Frozen then "Let it Go" ! Top marks for DCC Concepts entering the track arena, especially as they have slightly bucked the trend by using stainless steel rail. BUT Whilst they seem to think soldering leads etc to the rail is easy, some who have bought the product seem to be having issues, good to know if there are any issues also whilst after reporting turnouts will be available soon, in the absence of any other information there will be speculation. The easy way to stop all this is to keep potential customers informed. And advise on solving the soldering issues Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Freeman Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 Top marks for DCC Concepts entering the track arena, especially as they have slightly bucked the trend by using stainless steel rail. BUT Whilst they seem to think soldering leads etc to the rail is easy, some who have bought the product seem to be having issues, good to know if there are any issues also whilst after reporting turnouts will be available soon, in the absence of any other information there will be speculation. The easy way to stop all this is to keep potential customers informed. And advise on solving the soldering issues Well I haven't found it necessary to alter my soldering technique. 450C Temperature Controlled Iron with 3mm chisel bit, Rapid Lead Free solder and flux from Building 0 Gauge Online. The only use I have found for the DCC Concepts flux is in soldering normal steel rail, blackens it a bit but doesn't rust. Hot iron with decent sized bit is necessary for a quick "in and out" to avoid melting anything plastic, heatsinks are also useful just to be on the safe side. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertiedog Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 There are no soldering issues, use lead/tin solder, or if experienced pure tin, and use the proper flux, Baker's, which is G/teed to work, if it does not then you need a course in soldering..... People do have issues in practice, but they are simply using the wrong technique, heat, iron, tips, or Flux, or any combination you care to name. A well tinned iron of at last 40Watts, fitted with a steel or nickel tip, heated up and dipped in flux to clean it, then tinned with lead/tin solder, will always work. lead free solder will work, but the temperature is much higher.. Stainless steel protects itself from the atmosphere by developing a skin of hard oxide on the nickel content of the objects. This skin is best breeched by Bakers Fluid, although Carrs list a special flux. I have tried them all over the years and it always come back to Bakers fluid.from Fryes Stephen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyID Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 Fifteen months from announcement. Any news? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbeagleowner Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 I asked a couple if days ago and they are still a way off i think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Smith Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 Perhaps a re-think on using stainless steel? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ427 Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 Or maybe waiting to see Peco's offering? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Colin_McLeod Posted July 18, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 18, 2017 Steel yourself! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGR Model Store Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 I asked a couple if days ago and they are still a way off i think. When i spoke to Richard last week, They was a hopeful plan for a release in 2018 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 (edited) A very generous friend bought me boxes of DC Concepts flexible track, but I'm afraid it has several issues and I avoided using it as much as I could. While it's thin sleepers were ideal for sinking in ash ballast goodsyards, the rail was barely held in the chairs and I had one length where the rail simply fell out to the floor. Soldering electrical wires to is is nowhere close to being as easy as soldering to nickel silver but of course it can be done with lots of heat, flux and patience. The track itself is far and away too flexible. Pre-bending is out of the question. I use the PVA glue and ballast in one go method and the DC track has to be pinned in order to hold a curve. But it is impossible to push Peco pins into the hard plastic sleepers. They have to be pre-drilled. Cutting the rail with Xuron rail cutters. Even using a brand new pair, it is necessary to hold the rail with pliers as close to the point of cut as possible to prevent the stainless steel rail from twisting. If it does twist, it has to be straightened but this often leaves an imperfect rail head so cut it off and start again. Nickel silver rail would cure some of the problems, but if it is to the same profile as the stainless steel rail, it will still not be held securely in the chairs. Peco bullhead rail does hold better (it is different to anyone else's)....I discovered this when I had to replace a length of stainless rail that got damaged while building scenery. In fairness, these are my findings with other makes of flexible track. Slipping Peco Code 75 rail joiners onto the new Peco bullhead track is very difficult but do-able with dexterity and care. SMP has thin sleepers and is a great track so long as it doesn't arrive so tightly packed that the sleepers have distorted and curved at their outer ends. If they have, the track is useless. Edited October 3, 2017 by coachmann Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aardvark Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 Well, I guess that there would be no challenge in this hobby of ours if we all used SetTrack and bought expansion packs. Personally, I've given up waiting for the DCC Concepts/Legacy turnouts. Maybe they will be the best thing since sliced bread when they finally appear. Maybe. Maybe not.. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold unravelled Posted November 9, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 9, 2017 Now photos and opinions have been posted of the Peco Bullhead points, is there still space in the market for a DCC concepts range? I hope that there is. Peco have made some understandable decisions over backward compatibility with their existing ranges, so I wonder whether a different geometry is still marketable. I'm sure DCC concepts will be minutely examining the Peco product and hopefully will come up with some decision and an announcement sooner rather than later. Thanks Dave 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Tim Dubya Posted November 9, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 9, 2017 Prototype practice would be good for this range, as in crossing angles and blade types. Such as B6, A5 etc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Marlin Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 Has there been any development or movement in the last... good grief, 7 months? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Freeman Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 Just a quick tip. Forget trying to cut the rail with Xuron cutters or piercing saw, until recent I used a cutting disc but have since found that a decent pair of tinsnips cuts relatively easily with only a small amount of distortion, which can be promptly rectified by the use of pair of pliers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buhar Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 Has there been any development or movement in the last... good grief, 7 months? I spoke to them at the Glasgow show and, while not definitive, it looks like development is sliding towards the back-burner or maybe even the freezer. Probably as a result of Peco's production, but it's a shame as there were indications they were heading towards EM-2 (OO-SF). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold martin_wynne Posted September 10, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 10, 2018 Has there been any development or movement in the last... good grief, 7 months? DCC Concepts have just launched their own web forum, so that might be the best place to ask about developments: https://www.dccconceptsforum.com/ Martin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gismorail Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 Blindly forgotten about this track. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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