Multiple identity account Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 (edited) Images posted by Dapol.https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=827170903967326&set=pcb.827171053967311&type=1&theaterhttps://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=827170913967325&set=pcb.827171053967311&type=1&theaterCheers!JB Edited November 25, 2014 by Mod4 Title amended 17 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainfan Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Now that looks absolutely lovely! Can't wait for my LBSCR one to arrive now. Can't wait to see one painted up. Why am I tempted though to order a second one in SR livery after seeing that........ Cheers, Jon 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cromptonnut Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Of absolutely no use to my current modelling period whatsoever. But if the price is right I can see it being very difficult to resist for a "little project" - which I'm guessing is exactly the point of it, an inexpensive stepping stone into 7mm modelling. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 It has rivets, I do hope they are the correct shape. Does look nice, I'd like to be tempted but I don't think it would go down well in the household. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mike Bellamy Posted June 20, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 20, 2014 Where's Adrian when we need him ? Calling Mr Swain . . . . . . . . . . . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RedgateModels Posted June 20, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 20, 2014 (edited) George would approve of a Stepney, although I'd have to add a face to the smokebox ....... http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/11/Stepney_reposes_on_shed_on_the_Bluebell_railway.jpg Edited June 20, 2014 by RedgateModels Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cromptonnut Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Do bear in mind (I assume...) that there are still bits missing from that first pre-production sample including (as much as it pains me) a lot of rivets. http://www.kesr.org.uk/images/stories/railway-stock/steam-locomotives/32678-knowle/32678_Knowle_at_Bodiam_290510.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted June 20, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 20, 2014 (edited) Do bear in mind (I assume...) that there are still bits missing from that first pre-production sample including (as much as it pains me) a lot of rivets. http://www.kesr.org.uk/images/stories/railway-stock/steam-locomotives/32678-knowle/32678_Knowle_at_Bodiam_290510.jpg Actually it looks to me as if it might have too many rivets. According to photos in the condition portrayed (wrapper smokebox and smokebox wingplates) there should only be a total of 8 snaphead rivets on the sidetanks whereas it appears to have 10 12 with two extra pairs between the line of 3 at each end and the pair (one each top & bottom) in the middle. The smokebox wrapper and wingplates are correct in being totally devoid of any snaphead rivets. Snaphead rivets on the smokebox wrapper don't seem to have appeared until the later style of drumhead smokebox - then only initially at the rear end of it on at least some engines - while snaphead rivets on the face of the smokebox only seem to have appeared on the engines with drumhead smokeboxes - and not on all of them in earlier years. Incidentally while I refer to a drumhead smokebox it is possible that the wrapper was applied differently and it might not be a true drumhead smokebox. So in the condition seemingly represented by the pics of the engine posted above it either represents one which had acquired additional rivets on the side tanks or it has too many; the lack of visible snaphead rivets on the smokebox and wingplate is perfectly correct. Overall it looks to me to be much more of a 'Webster' job than a Dapol one - which could bode well. Edit to correct my counting of rivets! Edited June 20, 2014 by The Stationmaster Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cromptonnut Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 I guess it's definitely a "refer to prototype images" situation then (you'll have to forgive me, I model diseasels) and it isn't clear which version of final product this is. Still, I am sure that the various versions will find homes on many current and would-be O gauge modellers projects and projects-to-be, and I'm sure we can see many models of the Hayling Billy and/or Langstone Harbour Bridge coming up in the next year or so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 (edited) If I was looking for something to tempt me into O gauge with a modest Colonel Stephens approach then this locomotive would fit the bill. I don't know how many rivets it should have but it looks a very good approximation of a Terrier and would be at home with a few wagons or a single coach on some slightly overground track. Edited June 20, 2014 by woodenhead 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cromptonnut Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 (edited) If I was looking for something to tempt me into O gauge with a modest Colonel Stephens approach then this locomotive would fit the bill. I don't know how many rivets it should have but it looks a very good approximation of a Terrier and would be at home with a few wagons or a single coach on some slightly overground track. A prize to the first person to model this successfully http://www.hfstephens-museum.org.uk/images/stories/topics/edge_hill/2_edge_hill.jpg I hadn't even thought of a Colonel Stephens arrangement - perfect excuse for a hotchpotch of mismatched stock picked up cheaply second hand Edited June 20, 2014 by cromptonnut 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted June 20, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 20, 2014 A prize to the first person to model this successfully http://www.hfstephens-museum.org.uk/images/stories/topics/edge_hill/2_edge_hill.jpg I hadn't even thought of a Colonel Stephens arrangement - perfect excuse for a hotchpotch of mismatched stock picked up cheaply second hand And the number of snaphead rivets on the sidetanks appear (from the rust patches) to match the Dapol sample - wonder if they'll copy the, hmm, 'livery'? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 The sample has the same rivets as the picture, you've found a good prototype. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cromptonnut Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Poor paint jobs, badly laid track and wagons falling apart ... all those I can do perfectly well 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWCR Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 The "Rivets" on the side tanks are nor rivets. The side tanks were originally heated by exhaust steam returned from the smokebox through the pipes visible on the model, the raised items at the front of the tanks are vents for this. In the days of feed pumps this was a good idea and the tank was also lagged. This was covered by an external cladding sheet attached by nuts onto captive studs. it is the nuts which are visible and they should be hexagonal. The Terriers retained this cladding sheet to the end, long after heating and lagging had been removed. Most rivetting as originally built was countersunk & flush. In later years prominent rivets do appear on smokeboxes and a mix of flush and raised was also common. As many people have said, in their later years all the Terriers were different in details. Model looks very good and I will order one. My unbuilt kit can rest awhile longer (along with all the other unbuilt kits) Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
81A Oldoak Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 She looks very good good indeed for a first EP. Richard Webster has clearly got a grip of the situation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreadnought05 Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 "At last" springs to mind Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy L S Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Credit where credit is due, it looks very nice indeed. Roy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jjb1970 Posted June 21, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 21, 2014 Aside from space, two of the things that put many off O are the cost and the lack of availability of RTR. Heljan have been doing a splendid job making very nice relatively affordable O gauge diesels and this looks like it'll be a cracking way to dip a toe into O with a nice little steamer. There is still the rolling stock issue (I wasn't that impressed with the Heljan Mk.1) but Dapol are doing some wagons. Although I do not have space unless I converted the garden (I've already asked and been told no...... ) the emergence of nicer RTR at prices that are within range of modellers not on the Sunday Times rich list will I hope really grow the O hobby. So well done Dapol and others like Heljan and Lionheart. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mike Bellamy Posted June 22, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 22, 2014 a cracking way to dip a toe into O with a nice little steamer. So well done Dapol and others like Heljan and Lionheart. . . . and of course don't forget the groundbreaking introduction of the Hudswell Clarke (and more recent Fowler) by Ixion . . . . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jjb1970 Posted June 22, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 22, 2014 Indeed, I agree, Ixion have done some great work in making O Gauge attractive to a new audience as well as appealing to existing modellers in the scale. Certainly a great period for the scale! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cromptonnut Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 (edited) Indeed, I agree, Ixion have done some great work in making O Gauge attractive to a new audience as well as appealing to existing modellers in the scale. Certainly a great period for the scale! With the appearance of decent rtr stock, have these last few years been the first real progress in O gauge for 50+ years...? Edited June 22, 2014 by cromptonnut Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter220950 Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 With the appearance of decent rtr stock, have these last few years been the first real progress in O gauge for 50+ years...? Not quite, as a modeller back in the 70's who left in the 80's and came back to it early 2000 this period also marked a quantum leap in kits with the improvement in standards in castings, with the introduction of etching, with resin used in products such as Sparmac coaches, with CAD, and with much improved track components. It gave the modeller tools to produce accurate loco's and stock, which had before been a bit hit and miss, with pressed tinplate loco kits that needed considerable skill levels if a good result was required. This was perhaps the time when the hobby moved from scratch-building almost everything to kit building. Where you are correct is in the standard, and affordability of rolling stock, ready to run loco's, and buildings, which have made it possible for people to do in 0 gauge what they could previously in 00, and marks the change from kit building to RTR detailing and shake the box layouts, both of which should be welcomed as bringing new interest to the scale. Some of these modellers will doubtless start to have a dabble at kits and scratch-built buildings and 'fill-in' gaps in the market to complete their layouts, so it will hopefully see benefits to all sectors of the hobby. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ixionmodels Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 A lovely looking EP. I look forward to the painted samples; Terriers came in such lovely liveries. Lindsay O'Reilly, Ixion Model Railways Ltd. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Fitness Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 As long as there's an IOW version I'll have at least one. JF Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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