Thanks for that, I'm not on Faceache, I was only looking on here. Now I've seen the picture I'm still hoping for a Spinner, which I've mentioned before on other threads for a few different reasons, or the Caledonian single in conjunction with Rails to go with their CR 812, a possible bone of contention with Hornby which could lead to repercussions - oh,hang on a minute! (I like a good conspiracy theory).