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Yes me too..... I've got 69 locos with green full yellow ends (gfye) and BR arrows, about 1 in every 3. There were also about 6 in green with small panels (gsyp) and arrows. Still got around 30 locos unknown.

I suppose it is being banked as well? Remains of Ironstone mine to south and west of East Castle? Closed before the war, but maybe being re-worked to recover stone?

Great thread. The 25 is on 4M22 12:30 Parcels Peterborough (New Terminal) - Crewe, due Grantham just after 1pm. It was only on the Main line between Werrington and Grantham.

I would hope so - it was carried from 1968 to 1974 after all - a significant portion of their service life. The TOPS period was less than 4 years in comparison, but gets 2 models, compared to 0 BR Blue Pre-Tops ones. Which is a shame, cos I like the pre-tops blue era the best..... I would be happy with a blank one for maximum numbering choice.

Not sure this is the right thread, but this layout fascinated me as a child in the 70's, although I never saw it.... Amongst some railway things handed down to me when I began to show an interest, was an old pamphlet for British Railways own Model Railway. It dated from the earliest days of BR and apparently was put together by the publicity department, and exhibited around the country for several years. The pamphlet dates from the mid-1950's I think. The layout was 40' x 21' and took the form of an inverted figure of 8, with a four road through station called Newtown, complete with engine shed and goods yard. It appears to be detailed Hornby Dublo-type layout with side conductor rail. What impressed me then was the sheer size and complexity of it, and the huge control desk necessary - all a far cry from my carpet roundy-roundy. I suppose what impresses me now is that one of models listed is the 'Fell' locomotive! Many of the models it seems were made by staff at Stratford Works. Does it ring any bells with anyone? I wonder what became of it.

The RCTS coaching stock book for 1972 lists only 4 exLMS BGs with dual brakes - I suppose these must have been the ones used in the Tartan Arrow? Similarly there are 23 BR CCTs listed with dual brakes, which follows a note about the Tartan Arrow livery.

Also not forgetting that the 117s had gangways fitted in the late 1960s/early 1970s. About 2/3rds had been completed by end of 1969 according to my IA Combine. I suppose they would have been painted all blue at the same time as the modification.

I don't disagree, but this would mean that the later locos (well E5012 at least) were delivered in a different livery than the earliest locos - which had red stripes to start with.

Only from about 1966/7 on, much later than most other classes.

I'm a bit puzzled by the progression in liveries on these locos especially in the early days. By my reckoning E5012 (photo link above) entered service in October 1959 and this seems to be a new in service photo. But the photo below dated 2 Sept 1962 appears to show the same class 24 as in the earlier shot, but in black and white there doesn't appear to be much difference in the tone of green. Were both shots in fact taken at the same time? E5012 Eastleigh 2 Sept 1962 by pondhopper1, on Flickr The April 1959 Railway Magazine had an article on the new locos, and b&w photos of E5000 and E5001 seem to show both in dark green with red stripe. Is there a colour photo anywhere which shows the livery on initial delivery?

I can recall reading somewhere that the traction motors on class 40's were modified at some point to reduce flashovers. The modified locos had a line painted underneath the number to indicate this. I'm not sure what the modification was, but I think it dates from the late 1960s. By the way I picked up a copy of the Trains Annual 1964, which has an 11-page article on Tyne Dock - Consett trains.

It was at Crewe Works in June and July 1971 for dual braking, so would have gone blue then. It made less than 5 years service in blue - it was the first dual-braked loco to be withdrawn, after an accident in Fordoun, near Stonehaven, Scotland on 12 June 1976.

As is often the case Brush Veteran to the rescue - April 1970 still with nose ladder https://www.flickr.com/photos/59835095@N02/6266253728/

As far as I can tell the earliest Blue repaints were done in May or June 1967. So there's probably only just over a year of D prefix blue locos before the D was dropped. I'm guessing at something like a 6 or 7 year paint cycle would have applied, so you might be talking around 35-40 locos in Blue D livery by Autumn 1968. Around 35 locos got their TOPS numbers whilst still in Green livery, so by rights there should have been around 125 locos in Blue no-D prefix by late 1973.

Also 'PICTURES TELL A BETTER STORY' Well yes they certainly do, even the fuzzy, out of focus ones......

They might have painted yellow on locos to make them visible to track staff, but they didn't make the staff visible to the loco driver until sometime later. I may be wrong but it seems hi-viz wasn't worn much until the H&S at Work Act came into force in 1974.

It had its last classified visit to Crewe between 19 July and 30 September 1979, so most likely then. http://class40motherlist.com/mrc40135.html

Seen running with both tanks and grills in summer 1979, lost both by Jan 1980.

Generally new locos got yellow panels from Spring 1962 - there was a recent thread: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/90620-1960-1970-diesel-locomotives/ The first 19 or 20 Hymeks were delivered without them, the rest had them from new. There were some classes, e.g. Class 33 and 71 on the SR that still didn't have them into 1965.

Only just seen this topic - I have these locos too, recently extracted from the cupboard they've been in for the last 30 years.... I've given them a service - the Peak runs ok, the Warship seems to only have 2-wheel drive, which on investigation seems to be caused by the white cog wheels moving on the shaft and not engaging properly on one side. The gears themselves seem ok though. Ultrascale still do replacement metal gears if that's the problem - https://www.ultrascale.com/eshop/products/view/CAT015/431 Replica still seem to have original replacement motors - http://www.replicarailways.co.uk/spares-and-accessories/spares Or alternatively the High Level Kits Longrider motor bogie could work for the Warship - http://www.highlevelkits.co.uk/ Whether it is worth spending that sort of money, only you can say. Bachmann's new NBL Warship is only round the corner now, at about double the price of the motor bogie. I have one on order......

Just to expand on my comment, cab quarterlights and headcodes were plated at the same time, so this combination was never seen.

What happened to the new website they were trialling a while back? It seems to have completely disappeared now....

I could only find this one https://www.flickr.com/photos/paulbrysn/6819252771/ Is this another early centre body arrow example? https://www.flickr.com/photos/d210bob/14825053755/in/pool-1690412@N24 Date might be suspect.

I'm not 100% sure it is 5675 based on another of David's photos taken in April 1972 https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidwf2009/5639729553 I think it more likely it's 5673. Whichever one it is, it is a unique, or at least very rare, combination of numbers and logos - 2 bodyside numbers combined with central bodyside arrow. The final corporate styles were central arrow, with numbers on the both cabsides and then finally on the left hand cabside only.

Some good links there, thanks. Found this on the same site : http://www.northeastfilmarchive.com/videos/17533/men-consett Some colour footage of 92063 leaving Tyne Dock from 13:00