hmrspaul Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 18 hours ago, Wickham Green too said: .....one in normal service in Scotland. ( No.5401 on the left.) Perth : 28/8/88 Interesting photo, at least two of the Bogie bolster E conversions with an additional low top to the side used by the S&T for concrete troughing in Scotland https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brbbe/e226a1e9c Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hodgson Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 1 hour ago, McC said: (the NSE logos in particular seemed to move about a bit). What you are going to need is non-drying waterslide transfers ! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold BR Blue Posted August 27, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 27, 2021 47 minutes ago, cheesysmith said: Lets be honest, they may not admit it, but the 2c will follow on from this. There was only 111 2b made, and a further 250 2c. Don`t think they will be going to all this effort for just 111 coaches (plus the Irish versions) do you? As mentioned previously in this thread there has already been an NIR 2C announced so a BR one will no doubt follow. The numbers as you point out, also make this seem inevitable. https://irishrailwaymodels.com/collections/mark-2-coaches/products/nir-mk2b-pack-corporate-intercity-1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hodgson Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 Ah, but did the 2c ever catch the boat to the Emerald Isle? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold McC Posted August 27, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 27, 2021 Just now, Michael Hodgson said: Ah, but did the 2c ever catch the boat to the Emerald Isle? Indeed they did. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold BR Blue Posted August 27, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 27, 2021 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Michael Hodgson said: Ah, but did the 2c ever catch the boat to the Emerald Isle? As per the link I posted to the NIR coach pack. NIR bought new 2Bs but they also bought some used ones from BR as well as 5 x 2Cs. One of those 5 is in one of the NIR triple packs announced yesterday. They even put one of their mk2s into service on a cross border train before repainting it. I have seen a photo of a mk2 in blue/grey in Dublin Connolly station. Edited August 27, 2021 by BR Blue More info 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
murphaph Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 (edited) Irish Rail also bought a handful of ex BR 2c's in the late 80's. That BR blue and grey in Dublin picture was of a 2e or 2f. Definitely one of the air con ones anyway. Edited August 27, 2021 by murphaph 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 3 hours ago, Csalem said: ...... there were ...... more Mark 2a ........ Inchicore : 11/5/90 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Csalem Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 (edited) 36 minutes ago, murphaph said: Irish Rail also bought a handful of ex BR 2c's in the late 80's. That BR blue and grey in Dublin picture was of a 2e or 2f. Definitely one of the air con ones anyway. NIR Coach 91 in 1989: Edited August 27, 2021 by Csalem 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Csalem Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 Of course not all Mark 2s managed to make it into service in Ireland before conversion was complete. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold BR Blue Posted August 27, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 27, 2021 I did see another photo murphaph is correct it was an aircon one as per the photo above and not a B or a C. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Colin_McLeod Posted August 27, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 27, 2021 49 minutes ago, BR Blue said: As per the link I posted to the NIR coach pack. NIR bought new 2Bs but they also bought some used ones from BR as well as 5 x 2Cs. One of those 5 is in one of the NIR triple packs announced yesterday. They even put one of their mk2s into service on a cross border train before repainting it. I have seen a photo of a mk2 in blue/grey in Dublin Connolly station. Some of the Mk2s that NIR and Irish Rail purchased ( both new and second hand) were sold to the RPSI RPSI also purchased some second hand from various operators in GB, including ,I believe, some swaps with GB heritage lines resulting in ex LMS coaches returning to GB after being in Ireland since they were brought over in WW2 as an emergency stop gap following the Belfast blitz. https://www.steamtrainsireland.com/stocklist-carriages-north 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Ian J. Posted August 27, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 27, 2021 Nice to see these. I'll need a few in Blue/Grey for inter-regionals to the South Coast c1985/6. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Growling Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 5 hours ago, Henners84 said: Interested to hear people's thoughts on this because I don't expect people to agree. I contacted accurascale last night via their website who commented there would not be a mk2a product from them. I didn't ask about the mk2c. Whilst understand the mk2a would need different tooling parts, it does feel a bit of a miss to me. I love accurascale's products. I personally don't need the detail to be 100% accurate to prototype but I very much enjoy seeing the detail there. In my mind my model railway needs to evoke my past memories accurately so detail is great and models need the right look and feel and proportion and finish. I probably would not notice a slightly different air vent. However I do recall the mk2 rakes having a combo of centre door and non centre door stock. Having all centre door or all non centre door feels wrong to me as it is not the illusion I recall. I can fix for this by adding a mix of Bachmann and accurascale stock but I feel the detail of accurascale's model will make the Bachmann coupled next to it very toy like and spoil the illusion I'd like to achieve (it will emphasise Bachmann's lack of detail - harder to see if the accurascale product does not exist). So I am in two minds. I don't thin the Bachmann and accurascale models will look good together. So do I get a rake of accurascale mk2bs and spoil the illusion I want of some centre door coaches. Or do I stick with Bachmann and fix that illusion by tactically using coridor mk2a coaches to represent the non centre door mk2bs. The Bachmann route is certainly not correct but it may actually be a better compromise of the illusion I am going for. And after all model railways are about compromise and illusion. That's why I feel accurascale have missed a trick here but maybe its just me? Tricky one. I am sure quite a segment of customers would love the complimentary 2a's particularly with the new features and close coupling etc. A lot would ditch their Bachmann ones for the extra features I am sure (I know I would). But it comes down to commercials for Accurascale and they probably believe in the short to medium term there is more to go at with other segments of the market where there are no models. The 2a market will by definition be smaller because of other manufacturers previously doing them. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post McC Posted August 27, 2021 RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted August 27, 2021 The best way to keep new accurascale models flowing, is by supporting the ones already being made 13 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dj_crisp Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 2 minutes ago, McC said: The best way to keep new accurascale models flowing, is by supporting the ones already being made Trying my best 1 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Accurascale Fran Posted August 27, 2021 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted August 27, 2021 I'm just glad nobody is screaming "duplication" at us. If we had've announced Mark 2a coaches........ 1 1 9 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henners84 Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 3 minutes ago, Accurascale Fran said: I'm just glad nobody is screaming "duplication" at us. If we had've announced Mark 2a coaches........ Promise I won't shout 'duplication' at you if you announce some mk2as. Desparate to build a full mix rake of accurascale As and Bs. Just noticed there isn't an NSE brake coach. Possibly something for batch 2? 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Growling Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 15 minutes ago, Accurascale Fran said: I'm just glad nobody is screaming "duplication" at us. If we had've announced Mark 2a coaches........ You can't win sometimes with the modelling crowd as is evidenced by some of the silly facebook comments about the prices! As you rightly point out the prices and features compared to the competition represent great value for money which I think is what most modellers look for. They will pay the money if it is value for money. If you want railroad go buy it, or buy some second hand ones on eBay. For what it's worth I think probably over 75% who know Accurascale models so far will be very much brand loyal and would buy into a 2a product even if it is duplication because they want the higher fidelity and features / compatibility. As you say though the best way is to buy some 2bs (and 2cs!) first! 3 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wombatofludham Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 Just wondering, have the engineering prototypes been tested with "other manufacturer's" items to see how the close coupling system interfaces with say Mk1 BG and Buffets? Having watched the Hornby mag video I can't imagine there would be a problem with running, I just wonder how the stock will look given we will all need to run them with some form of catering vehicle (Enterprise excepted). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Csalem said: NIR Coach 91 in 1989: Not sure what '91' refers to ? ..... the number was 904 - formerly B.R. 3367. ( Returned to G.B. when withdrawn by N.I.R. - bur scrapped at Booths after Lancastrian C.&.W. went bust.) Edited August 27, 2021 by Wickham Green too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Accurascale Fran Posted August 27, 2021 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted August 27, 2021 1 minute ago, wombatofludham said: Just wondering, have the engineering prototypes been tested with "other manufacturer's" items to see how the close coupling system interfaces with say Mk1 BG and Buffets? Having watched the Hornby mag video I can't imagine there would be a problem with running, I just wonder how the stock will look given we will all need to run them with some form of catering vehicle (Enterprise excepted). Hi @wombatofludham As part of our testing they will be tried with other coaches to ensure they operate well. Locos have posed no problems so far and we dont envisage any other coaching stock to do so either. Cheers! Fran 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wombatofludham Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 2 minutes ago, Accurascale Fran said: Hi @wombatofludham As part of our testing they will be tried with other coaches to ensure they operate well. Locos have posed no problems so far and we dont envisage any other coaching stock to do so either. Cheers! Fran If you get the chance it would be great to see some video! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold farren Posted August 27, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 27, 2021 1 hour ago, Accurascale Fran said: I'm just glad nobody is screaming "duplication" at us. If we had've announced Mark 2a coaches........ if your coaches are as good as your wagons, and have ever faith they will be. I think you will be hearing the words “duplicate” ringing in your ears soon. Just so people can have a full mix rake or equal quality. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Covkid Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Accurascale Fran said: I'm just glad nobody is screaming "duplication" at us. If we had've announced Mark 2a coaches........ 50 minutes ago, Growling said: You can't win sometimes with the modelling crowd as is evidenced by some of the silly facebook comments about the prices! As you rightly point out the prices and features compared to the competition represent great value for money which I think is what most modellers look for. They will pay the money if it is value for money. If you want railroad go buy it, or buy some second hand ones on eBay. For what it's worth I think probably over 75% who know Accurascale models so far will be very much brand loyal and would buy into a 2a product even if it is duplication because they want the higher fidelity and features / compatibility. As you say though the best way is to buy some 2bs (and 2cs!) first! It's horses for courses basically. Being mostly a transition era modeller, I do have a handful of Bachmann Mk2as which I consider to be a good model. There are other things in my priority list to spend my modelling budget before displacing my Bachmann Mk2as for Accurascale versions. Particularly if they announce more transition era wagons like the Conflat L and transition era tank and a transition era iron ore hopper and ................... Others may well wish to upgrade their MK2as Oh and you will always get the duplication warriors Fran - steel yourself !!!! Edited August 27, 2021 by Covkid Add 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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