dseagull Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 Happened on the Southern region too; http://www.semgonline.com/electric/class73_04.html (Third down). This would have been a 'revenue earning' (well, probably not, but you know what I mean!) service too. There is, or certainly was until the mid 00's (its been a while) a 20' container on a wagon at Ipswich which is used for stores. I've seen that shunted around by 47's, 57's, 66's, 86's and 90's over the years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eggesford box Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 Here is a 47 on Llanvihangel bank Incidently the Moreton trip could be more overpowered as at one time the working was booked for a 56, I presume the same one that worked the Glasgow - Pengam liner and return. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 37607 and 37608 on 20th February 2003 with one flask at Towyn. And if anyone thinks this is down to ageing motive power and ended with the introduction of modern Class 66's, forget it...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titan Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 I have always wondered why flask trains are usually double headed, even when only one or two wagons are in the consist? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John M Upton Posted March 28, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 28, 2012 Insurance, operating authorities get very nervous if a nuclear shipment is stationary especially if in an embarassing location!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted March 28, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 28, 2012 http://www.flickr.com/photos/60758442@N08/5715291039/ 6K73 from Sellafield to Crewe (and 6C53 return) often throws up superpower as locos are moved to/from Crewe. It's not unknown for 5 or 6 locos on one or two flasks. I have always wondered why flask trains are usually double headed, even when only one or two wagons are in the consist? "usually" is the defining word. Previously discussed here: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/31742-nuclear-flasks-trains-with-one-loco/page__hl__nuclear__fromsearch__1 As John, says, principally to keep the nukes moving. Cheers, Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Louch Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 What caught my eye was photo of 50 on a 'goods' (note not freight!!) train albeit a rather short one!. I can't recall ever seeing this type of loco on anything other than passenger or very occasionally parcels stock despite 'classing' them on the WCML north of Crewe before their transfer to the Western. Was I just unlcky? Andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southernman46 Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 What caught my eye was photo of 50 on a 'goods' (note not freight!!) train albeit a rather short one!. I can't recall ever seeing this type of loco on anything other than passenger or very occasionally parcels stock despite 'classing' them on the WCML north of Crewe before their transfer to the Western. Was I just unlcky? Andy Slight O/T but one of mine to illustrate........ 50043 on a boys scouts excursion from Cornwall to Heathfield (Netwon Abbot) in 1985 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisB Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 The subject of 50s on freight trains has been discussed before. http://www.rmweb.co....-freightand-pw/ There are also some really good pictures of 50s on both WR and LMR hauling freight in various books, in particular, "Class 50s in Operation" which has plenty of pictures of 50s on WR and LMR metals at the head of freight trains as well as a nice cover picture of an early NSE 50 hauling Polybulks through Westbury. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dungrange Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 I also remember being on Basingstoke station one evening and seeing 2x 67 top and tailing 3 Turbot wagons. Pete I thought all Turbots only have vacuum brakes and that the 67s are air-braked only. I didn't think this would have been allowed. Regards David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dagworth Posted August 19, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 19, 2012 There was a time in the mid eighties where it was cheaper to run a short freight train than to run a light loco. Due to union manning agreements a light engine had to have a secondman, a freight didn't, so hook an empty wagon on the back of your light engine and make it into a train to save the need for a secondman on the job. Andi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talltim Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 Slight O/T but one of mine to illustrate........ 50043 on a boys scouts excursion from Cornwall to Heathfield (Netwon Abbot) in 1985 Had to laugh at that description! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted August 19, 2012 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted August 19, 2012 What caught my eye was photo of 50 on a 'goods' (note not freight!!) train albeit a rather short one!. I can't recall ever seeing this type of loco on anything other than passenger or very occasionally parcels stock despite 'classing' them on the WCML north of Crewe before their transfer to the Western. Was I just unlcky? Andy I have a photo somewhere that I took at Crewe with one on an Up Freightliner, must have been about 1978? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted August 19, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 19, 2012 50s worked coal trains from Birkenhead (not short obviously) ca 1974, 50012 and 50022 are two I remember well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grovenor Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 Had to laugh at that description! Yes, I was expecting cattle trucks. OT I know but here are a couple of real Scout excursions. Keith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted August 20, 2012 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted August 20, 2012 50s worked coal trains from Birkenhead (not short obviously) ca 1974, 50012 and 50022 are two I remember well. They also worked MGR trains from collieries. The first one to be loaded at Silverdale Bunker when it was being tested in 1971 was hauled by a 50. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Classsix T Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 I thought all Turbots only have vacuum brakes and that the 67s are air-braked only. I didn't think this would have been allowed. Regards David Hence the necessity to t&t. An Ipswich job used to exist between the WRD and the non road accessible fuel point, requiring two a/b locos either side of a v/b 4 wheeled well wagon for the movement of oil drums etc, both locos manned natch. C6T. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmsforever Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 Short trains and big loco,s were a regular occurence in Cornwall before the world changed to centralised control etc ,if you look in John Vaughan,s books you will see many photo,s of this practise.hope this helps. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dungrange Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 Hence the necessity to t&t. An Ipswich job used to exist between the WRD and the non road accessible fuel point, requiring two a/b locos either side of a v/b 4 wheeled well wagon for the movement of oil drums etc, both locos manned natch. C6T. I assume that means that it's effectively operated as an unfitted train with a very expensive powered brake van on the rear! I had thought that all trains had to be braked nowadays, but obviously not. Regards David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southernman46 Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 Superpower but not overkill............ 59103 leaving Woodborough Loop with 3177.5 tonnes of crushed Somerset contained in 1127.5 tonnes of shaped steel grossing some 4300 tonnes on the drawbar or put less imaginatively the 13:30 [6L21]SX Whatley Quarry - Dagenham Dock stone on 06/09/12. and this happens 5 days a week so that's give or take 825,000 tonnes of stone a year by this working alone. Well I was impressed by it.......... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodyfox Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 I worked a Princes Risborough - Woking CCE train back in the early 90's from Clapham Jcn to Woking with 2x class 37's and a single 'sea urchin' wagon. The 37's were in multiple! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southernman46 Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 I worked a Princes Risborough - Woking CCE train back in the early 90's from Clapham Jcn to Woking with 2x class 37's and a single 'sea urchin' wagon. The 37's were in multiple! Would have been a tough job for a 31/4 though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodyfox Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 Or a single 37 with the state they were in at the time! Leaking front windows, fungal growth on the side panels and plenty of peeling masking tape losing the fight against draughts all added to the effect... ...and that was just the driver's side in the cab! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
byron Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 here is a very simple answer to all these "odd" workings, A wagon needs to be moved from A to B, ask those nice men in Control, and the first loco and crew available is used. Oh, and 50's were well used on freight on the LM - just done at night when there were no passenger jobs. Some workings were diagrammed, some on the principle "if it has BR (or t'arrows) on it, us it". Mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted September 13, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 13, 2012 Superpower but not overkill............ 59103 leaving Woodborough Loop with 3177.5 tonnes of crushed Somerset contained in 1127.5 tonnes of shaped steel grossing some 4300 tonnes on the drawbar or put less imaginatively the 13:30 [6L21]SX Whatley Quarry - Dagenham Dock stone on 06/09/12. and this happens 5 days a week so that's give or take 825,000 tonnes of stone a year by this working alone. Well I was impressed by it.......... It was even more impressive back in the days when the early morning Merehead - Acton used to run with a trailing load of around 5,000 tonnes, 5 days a week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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