pete_mcfarlane Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Oh good, I am not alone in eyeing every new model as a carve up! The alternative body whether resin cast or 3D printed to fit the chassis, as suggested by 'its-er' sounds like a winner to me. Bound to be someone in the P4/EM department wanting to build their own chassis, who will relieve you of the E4 body. If somebody wants to do an alternative body for the E4 chassis, then the E4X rebuilds would be a good bet. The various X rebuilds of the Brighton radial tanks are quite attractive in a freakish kind of way with their oversized boilers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anglian Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Ordered in LBSC Umber. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-BOAF Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 (edited) Response from Bachmann Andy thanks so much for that. I was right about the splashers then! Depending on how they arrange the lining (BR Black) and panels (on the LBSC and SR versions) the immediate visual impact of the splasher size can be mitigated a little. Also note the whistle on the cab roof. Assuming they've also done the firebox-mounted whistle, a nice variation there. Chimney is excellent, with compound curve at the base. wonderful! Re Dome: I'm willing to blame the grey finish in the Bachmann photograph, but I still think there's something note quite right about the dome shape, I still feel there is too much vertical on the model dome, but I can't put my finger on it exactly. Compare prototype http://locoyard.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/117-bluebell-railway-sheffield-park-lbscr-e4-class-b473-birch-grove.jpg with model http://www.Bachmann.co.uk/fp_images/large/E4EP_front.jpg Anyone any thoughts? Edited January 21, 2014 by G-BOAF Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted January 21, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 21, 2014 Ordered in LBSC Umber. Good. I hope the umber version sells well, so Bachmann are encouraged to do the yellow version - with name. All these lovely tanks - classes E3 to E6 - had names in their first livery, the E4s being mainly named after Sussex villages. That whimsy was stopped when sensible Marsh umber appeared. Let no-one pretend the pre-Grouping scene wasn't colourful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Holliday Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 (edited) Good. I hope the umber version sells well, so Bachmann are encouraged to do the yellow version - with name. All these lovely tanks - classes E3 to E6 - had names in their first livery, the E4s being mainly named after Sussex villages. That whimsy was stopped when sensible Marsh umber appeared. Let no-one pretend the pre-Grouping scene wasn't colourful.Sadly, the Bachmann version represents those fitted with an I1 boiler, with the extended smokebox. Not as drastic as the E4X rebuild, but quite a visual impact, nonetheless. This re-boilering took place after Marsh was in charge, and unfortunately all would have been turned out in umber with no name. It should be remembered that Birch Grove only carried a name and umber on the Bluebell. Perhaps Branchlines (the etched kit people) could be pursuaded to create a conversion kit from the Stenning/Weald Models E4 kit, but an enormous amount of care would be needed to preserve the yellow livery as the dome and possibly the safety valves would need changing as well as the smokebox, and all the extraneous pipework along the boiler should go too. Edited January 24, 2014 by Nick Holliday Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Andy Hayter Posted January 23, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 23, 2014 Does that mean that the Bachmann livery will be fictional? Or just that said model should not carry a name? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talltim Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 I think I'm right in saying that the Umber is correct, but the earlier named yellow wouldn't be, but they haven't said they will do it anyway I think I'm right in saying that the Umber is correct, but the earlier named yellow wouldn't be, but they haven't said they will do it anyway Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Holliday Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 Does that mean that the Bachmann livery will be fictional? Or just that said model should not carry a name? The umber livery would be correct for the model as shown, although I cannot be sure that the large gauge pipework along the boiler is appropriate for a pre-grouping loco. If it is produced without any name, that would be correct for the LBSCR era. If it is named Birch Grove then that would only be correct for its preserved state, as, to the best of my knowledge, none of the E4's retained their name following the application of the umber livery, and certainly not with the extended smokebox. If Bachmann were to do a yellow version, that would require a different smokebox and a change of boiler fittings as well. Just for the record, a number of the E4 tanks first appeared in Stroudley's goods green livery, as they were intended as mixed traffic locos, although all were in yellow by the end of the century, and 12 of them were sent to France during the Great War and I believe some of them retained their WD grey livery for a while after they returned. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted January 24, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 24, 2014 (edited) The umber livery would be correct for the model as shown, although I cannot be sure that the large gauge pipework along the boiler is appropriate for a pre-grouping loco. If it is produced without any name, that would be correct for the LBSCR era. If it is named Birch Grove then that would only be correct for its preserved state, as, to the best of my knowledge, none of the E4's retained their name following the application of the umber livery, and certainly not with the extended smokebox. If Bachmann were to do a yellow version, that would require a different smokebox and a change of boiler fittings as well. Just for the record, a number of the E4 tanks first appeared in Stroudley's goods green livery, as they were intended as mixed traffic locos, although all were in yellow by the end of the century, and 12 of them were sent to France during the Great War and I believe some of them retained their WD grey livery for a while after they returned. Except that the Umber version will be numbered 579 according to the Bachmann website so it's name if carried should be Roehampton. Edited January 24, 2014 by brushman47544 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium phil-b259 Posted January 24, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 24, 2014 Does that mean that the Bachmann livery will be fictional? Or just that said model should not carry a name? IIFC what Bachmann are producing will be correct i.e. none of the E4s will be named. As has been mentioned earlier, ALL names were removed from LBSCR engines when repainted into the umber colour scheme introduced by DE Marsh, Thus the Bluebell's rendition of 473 in umber livery with its name on the side is a completely fictitious preservation one, something never seen in real service Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 Andy thanks so much for that. I was right about the splashers then! Depending on how they arrange the lining (BR Black) and panels (on the LBSC and SR versions) the immediate visual impact of the splasher size can be mitigated a little. Having had a good look over the EP sample of the E4 today I'd be quite comfortable in saying that, when painted black, any oversizing of the splashers to accommodate OO wheel standards won't look bad at all. I've included and underside shot. It's apparent the matter has been considered when having a good look underneath as the allowances are quite tight and manipulating the model around to look in 3 dimensions it's apparent that the needs of the cast footplate and their commensurate thickness mean there's little more could be done to mitigate any influences on the splashers. 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Graham_Muz Posted January 24, 2014 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted January 24, 2014 Great pictures Andy thanks for posting really shows its going to be another cracking model 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-BOAF Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 (edited) some impressive engineering there. Dome looks a lot better in those shots as well. Just to check, is there a tooling option for a boiler-mounted whistle? 473 certainly should have one there and not on the cab roof. EDITED - "boiler-mounted whistle" Edited January 24, 2014 by G-BOAF Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebell Model Railway Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 (edited) some impressive engineering there. Dome looks a lot better in those shots as well. Just to check, is there a tooling option for a boiler-mounted dome? 473 certainly should have one there and not on the cab roof. I Guess you mean the whistle? I wondered this myself, I guess this is the LBSC version.... not the SR preserved example, I see the whistle has been in different places during it's life... Edited January 24, 2014 by Bluebell Model Railway Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-BOAF Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 I Guess you mean the whistle? I wondered this myself, I guess this is the LBSC version.... not the SR preserved example, I see the whistle has been in different places during it's life... yep. Funny I remember thinking 'must write dome' and then wrote just that! I only ask as between them, Bachmann and Andy have released pics of two models, one with a BR numberplate, and one without. Both have cab-mounted whistles. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren01 Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 Hi looking very good one on pre order, not long now!. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted January 25, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 25, 2014 Just for the record, a number of the E4 tanks first appeared in Stroudley's goods green livery, as they were intended as mixed traffic locos, although all were in yellow by the end of the century, Bradley records 475 Partridge Green (!) as being in green until receiving umber in July 1912. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 The underside view is very revealing. The aspect that caught my attention is the trailing truck wheel arrangement. Looks as though it is in a swivelling mount, much as the arrangement on the 56xx - also 0-6-2T - model. What I found with this latter chassis is that this makes the vehicle track sensitive, as the wheel can take an oblique set when going through a point network leading to derailment, especially bunker leading. (Peco large and medium radius live crossing points for the record.) A simple lightly sprung pony truck is a far better choice in my opinion, completely reliable. (Since I couldn't have my N7 falling over the points all the time, I fixed the 56xx chassis by gluing on shims bearing on the axle to prevent any pivoting action, more than adequate sideplay to still get this chassis round a 24" radius.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.A.C Martin Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 Looks utterly superb. Great pictures of the E4 too. However is there a bit of pipework missing from the model? This could of course be a later addition, I don't know. Not familiar with the prototype other than my limited visits to the Bluebell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted January 25, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 25, 2014 Engineering detail is not really my sphere, but I read that the I1 boiler in this application needed to have the clack valves repositioned from their original location underneath, and that is what I believe this to be. So I suspect, yes, they should be there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matloughe Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 Others have said it, but I am going to say it again the EP looks absolutely superb with those curves the model looks delicious. I can't wait for it to arrive; currently splashed out for the LBSC Marsh Umber, and Southern Green E4.... and also the Southern H2 as well... whoops. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatWesternFan220 Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 Having had a good look over the EP sample of the E4 today I'd be quite comfortable in saying that, when painted black, any oversizing of the splashers to accommodate OO wheel standards won't look bad at all. I've included and underside shot. It's apparent the matter has been considered when having a good look underneath as the allowances are quite tight and manipulating the model around to look in 3 dimensions it's apparent that the needs of the cast footplate and their commensurate thickness mean there's little more could be done to mitigate any influences on the splashers. 1s.jpg 2s.jpg 3s.jpg 4s.jpg 5s.jpg OMG! They look so beautiful. I can't wait to get preserved example when it gets released. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 (edited) I think I can agree with others about chimney and dome both looking a tad too tall and thin. Though that may just be an optical illusion. I guess Bachmann will measures both to ensure they are correct. Agree on the bit of pipe work being missing. Other than that, nice looking model. Edited January 26, 2014 by JSpencer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium ianmaccormac Posted January 26, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 26, 2014 The photo I have of 579 in LBSC Umber does not have the pipework and it has a cab mounted whistle. Cheers Ian 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren01 Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 Hi I have seen both the EP Bachmann are doing,One has the pipe on the side and the other has the western house pump and no pipe work on the boiler. Hope this helps. Darren Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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