St. Simon Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 You're right there! On recent observations I've heard (or rather not heard!) one with the driving trailer making no (air-con?) noise, and when it was a warmer day a 2x5 train making a different "fan-type" noise. Was this the air con working harder, or, as the train had been on diesel power for the previous 40 miles, power pack cooling working harder? Passenger sounds? "Eeeh Mildred, these seats are a bit 'ard !" "Aye, but yuh can stretch y'legs out nicely" "When's trolly cummin' round. I'm parched". . I hadn't thought of those, you guys wait until they install a bitchin betty in the cab (those you know a bit about aircraft cockpits will know what I mean! Simon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Budgie Posted May 15, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 15, 2018 Finally had a chance to have a look at my modified IEP after being away for a couple of weeks. The bogies on the centre coaches have all received a thin clear plastic washer and a bit of lubricant. I've not seen a pic of the mod on here yet so here you go:- IEP Bogie.jpg I'm not sure if there has been some light filing of the clip as well or if that is just wear and tear. The troublesome 812004 coach is now click free and stays on the rails. I've given all the centre coaches a push test across my Hornby radius 3 S-shape as before and they all perform well. Subjected the coaches to a gradient and they didn't derail. I have yet to try them out as a full coupled up 5 coach unit but I am hopeful that I will encounter no problems. How thick (or should it be how thin) are those washers? Is this the sort of thing we could do ourselves? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Red Fox Posted May 16, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 16, 2018 Thank you for posting. What this shows, is most interesting! It appears that the wheel axels are supported by an inside frame, rather than onto the bogie frame. This could possibly delight the one poster who keeps on banging on with the same question about making a 9-car set. As it appears the tooling allows for both outer and inner bogie frames onto the model bogie frame. The wheels are supported by an inside frame but the top part and bogie side are a one piece moulding so it would have to be a new bogie tooling rather than the factory just not attaching the bogie sides and glueing on the yaw damper in its place. How thick (or should it be how thin) are those washers? Is this the sort of thing we could do ourselves? Unfortunately I don't have anything to accurately measure the washer but by eye it looks to be around 0.5mm or less (probably less). I've not dismantled the coach to see of they have done anything to the area where the bogie clips in but the mod certainly looks like something that could be done at home. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted May 16, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 16, 2018 (edited) I guess we won’t be seeing a VTEC class 800 now. With the return of the LNER, perhaps these will get Teak livery ? Edited May 16, 2018 by adb968008 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
159220 Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 The wheels are supported by an inside frame but the top part and bogie side are a one piece moulding so it would have to be a new bogie tooling rather than the factory just not attaching the bogie sides and glueing on the yaw damper in its place. Hmm, where did I say “glue”? I recommend you go research how a modern tooling suite for a model works. The “core” shall permit the model’s bogie “chassis” which supports the axels. You then have different “slides” for the bogie frames. Whether in or out, it would seem from that photo, Hornby can shake it all about.... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
159220 Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 I guess we won’t be seeing a VTEC class 800 now. With the return of the LNER, perhaps these will get Teak livery ? Virgin was going to be DfT base coat grey with red vinyls. (Long went the idea of a special Virgin livery). LNER is going to be DfT base coat grey with red vinyls. Hmm, I suspect a significant consultancy fee. You’ll never guess the interior theme!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted May 16, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 16, 2018 Virgin was going to be DfT base coat grey with red vinyls. (Long went the idea of a special Virgin livery). LNER is going to be DfT base coat grey with red vinyls. Hmm, I suspect a significant consultancy fee. You’ll never guess the interior theme!! Everything changes but ultimately stays the same ? Would quite expensive refitting that unused Virgin interior https://www.virgintrainseastcoast.com/news/new-announcement/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Market65 Posted May 16, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 16, 2018 That interior is dreadful. The old LNER did much better than that with Tourist carriages, never mind the Silver Jubilee and the Coronation. I guess it’s a bit better than a bouncy Pacer on a bad day, but not by much. Are we not able to design interiors with style and panache anymore? Regards, Rob. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Coryton Posted May 16, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 16, 2018 That interior is dreadful. The old LNER did much better than that with Tourist carriages, never mind the Silver Jubilee and the Coronation. I guess it’s a bit better than a bouncy Pacer on a bad day, but not by much. Are we not able to design interiors with style and panache anymore? They may not be the most stylish ever, but I find the GWR IETs pleasant enough inside (pretty much the same as that photo, but green and grey instead of red). Of course GWR have the advantage that their Mk 3 interiors are somewhat unpleasant so improving on them isn't hard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dibber25 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 I thought the GWR IET interior was really pleasant - simple, and smart. We have to accept that the days of 1950s Mk1 plush are gone - they wouldn't stand up to today's travellers. (CJL) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Coryton Posted May 17, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 17, 2018 I thought the GWR IET interior was really pleasant - simple, and smart. We have to accept that the days of 1950s Mk1 plush are gone - they wouldn't stand up to today's travellers. (CJL) No...on the other hand it could still probably look a bit more inviting and still be robust enough and meet safety standards. (Road) coaches and even some of the posher buses manage it. But I'm personally very happy with the IETs and very much prefer the interiors to the cramped-feeling Pendolinos and GWR Mk 3s (the latter having very generous legroom but still feel somewhat cramped to me given they are stuffed with very high backed airline seats) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
creilly81 Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 Hi, With the modifications Hornby issued and put in place for anyone with the earlier release class 800 models, does anyone know if the new releases such as the Hornby R3691 Paddington Bear Class 800 due later this year will have these modifications already applied during manufacturer? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGR Hooper! Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 Hi, With the modifications Hornby issued and put in place for anyone with the earlier release class 800 models, does anyone know if the new releases such as the Hornby R3691 Paddington Bear Class 800 due later this year will have these modifications already applied during manufacturer? I think it's safe to say Hornby will obviously release models either with re-tooled/modified bogies. They'd be stupid if they just released it again with the same issues. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium HillsideDepot Posted June 23, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 23, 2018 Here are few photos of 800304 taken this morning. Power car bogie Power car underframe equipment boxes Trailer bogie (as shown in more detail above) Trailer car underframe equipment boxes 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium phil-b259 Posted June 24, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 24, 2018 Are we not able to design interiors with style and panache anymore? Regards, Rob. Of course we can - provided the people doing the specifying do not work for the DfT, who with the 800s have not only managed to procure the most expensive train ever, but also finished the interiors in the most boring way possible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted June 24, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 24, 2018 (edited) Here are few photos of 800304 taken this morning. Power car bogie 007.JPG Power car underframe equipment boxes 006.JPG Trailer bogie (as shown in more detail above) 004.JPG Trailer car underframe equipment boxes 005.JPG I see a throwback of the old BR western lessons learned survives.. those yellow underframe box handles distinctly remind me of the Talisman clips of a class 52. Edited June 24, 2018 by adb968008 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquilla Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 i dont know if its been mentioned in the past, I cant see it anywhere, but regarding liveries and the forthcoming release of the paddington bear version, the in service units have the waistline silver stripe lower down the body, just on the part where the body curves inwards. The first version, although in the correct place for that model, the Hornby paddington bear has carried it over, which is incorrect from the prototype. I let the Hornby FB page know (with images) and they said they would pass it to the design dept. I would guess its probably to late for the next release though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
159220 Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Found this on Flickr, sounds if 800/802 sound is on the way..... https://www.flickr.com/photos/legomanbiffo/41315826685/ legomanbiffo: With protective covers still on the carpets and seats, the brand new Hitachi 802004 bi-modal unit is pictured during an audio recording session at North Pole depot. Many thanks are due to the staff at Hitachi for facilitating things. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
159220 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Has anyone got this? I would be very interested in hearing the diesel switch over. https://www.dckits-devideos.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&path=86_68&product_id=1385 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium HillsideDepot Posted July 19, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 19, 2018 (edited) Two YouTube videos from Legomanbiffo and Edited July 19, 2018 by HillsideDepot 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
royaloak Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 Why oh why do they have the horn sound when pulling away from a station, that is just plain wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
37114 Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 Passenger sounds? "Eeeh Mildred, these seats are a bit 'ard !" "Aye, but yuh can stretch y'legs out nicely" "When's trolly cummin' round. I'm parched". . You have missed a couple which are very frequent in my experience "Will the train manager contact the driver please, train manager contact the driver" "We apologise about the late departure of this service this is due to a fault with the doors" "We apologise for the over crowding and lack of seat reservations on this service this is due to this train being a 5 car rather than 10 car train" 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steadfast Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 (edited) Sounds odd having the sound out the driving cars when on the prototype it's the non driving cars with engines. The leading vehicle is virtually silent externally when leaving a station Jo Edited July 21, 2018 by Steadfast 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
159220 Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 Two YouTube videos from Legomanbiffo Wow sounds awesome! (Minus the horns as mentioned above - though surely you dont have to plan a horn on departure?). I think I shall be getting this for 800010, even through the recording is from a class 802. I do not see how it would make much of a difference at a scale such as this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
royaloak Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 Wow sounds awesome! (Minus the horns as mentioned above - though surely you dont have to plan a horn on departure?). I think I shall be getting this for 800010, even through the recording is from a class 802. I do not see how it would make much of a difference at a scale such as this. There is no difference in the noise from an 800 or 802, well nothing worth bothering about anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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