The Black Hat Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 On 07/07/2019 at 18:46, adb968008 said: Indeed a 59 would look good in LYR, GCR, MR, SECR, LSWR,LNWR,GER,GNR,CR, HR, NSR, FR, TVR and of course GWR, leaving 59003 in GBRF typical... NER overlooked again.... 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Classsix T Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, The Black Hat said: typical... NER overlooked again.... Don't knock it mate, wishlist paint jobs aren't worth a damn. And putting GER livery on any of these things would be an insult to the region and the skilled brush wielders at Stratford. C6T. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted July 10, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 10, 2019 55 minutes ago, Classsix T said: Going back some when I was periferally involved in (ostensibly life-expired) locomotive acquisition, it was then (and maybe still) a requisite under competition rules for sellers of traction and/or rolling stock to offer such on the open market. However the seller still had the option to reject any bid without cause ensuring that said items definitely ended up as razor blades and not working for their business competitors. I get that from a business angle obviously, some might suggest the Heritage Railway Association could have brokered a better deal for preservationists, but the lines these days are so blurred between privately owned and preserved that I don't think that that'd actually work. Which has nothing to do with the 59s of course... C6T. That's not say we didn't descend like vultures on the Scrappy's purchases for spares or no caveat was in place that prevented them reselling locos. I might be wrong, but understood the rules for selling redundant traction only applied to ex-BR equipment acquired via privatisation directly to a toc. Cynics might say thats why so much perfectly viable stuff ended up dumped in sidings for years, until the point of no return, before offering it. Class 60’s were ex-BR.. and coincidentally of course, are in such situation. class 59/2’s are not ex-BR machines. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz9284 Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 On 10/07/2019 at 11:07, LaGrange said: The deal may also be already done and they have had to advertise them to comply with competition laws etc Possibly even more liveries for Dapol to do, others like the revised Yeoman, ARC and Mendip Rail liveries are yet to be mentioned by them IIRC the 59s to date have had 12 liveries: 59/0: FY, FY Revised, MRL, FY/DB, AI & GBRf (6) 59/1: ARC, ARC Revised & Hanson (3) 59/2: NP, EWS & DBS (3) regards Darryl 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steadfast Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 (edited) Sounds about right. And within each livery there were plenty of variations from loco to loco. The Hanson 59/1s have varying light cluster colours for example, Yeoman locos had logos in slightly different places, 59206 has different typeface numbers to the other five etc Not everyone is aware too, that the stars on the front of the 59/0 and 59/1s relate to the loco number. Something to pay attention to if renumbering Jo Edited July 12, 2019 by Steadfast 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
emdpowerrules Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 2 hours ago, daz9284 said: 59/0: FY, FY Revised, MRL, FY/DB, AI & GBRf (6) regards Darryl 59001 ran for a while in 2008 carrying an incorrect very pale green AI livery. Before repainting to the current version had test patches added on both sides. And 59203 had HUGE numbers on one end in EWS livery. Graham Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steadfast Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 Where the builders plates have come off 001, the original minty green shade is visible again, a neat little rectangle of it on the lower cab sides Jo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted July 12, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 12, 2019 59001 has a bell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steadfast Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 As does 201. Both have it fitted at exhaust end only. Not sure why 101 never got a bell Jo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted July 12, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 12, 2019 On 10/07/2019 at 18:40, The Black Hat said: typical... NER overlooked again.... NER was just an annex of the GNR. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Black Hat Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 14 minutes ago, adb968008 said: NER was just an annex of the GNR. Beer, screen, interface issues... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Roy Langridge Posted July 19, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 19, 2019 Freightliner 70 tested on a Merehead - Acton train last night. 4600t handled with ease. Perhaps the 59s will be on their way? Roy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
atom3624 Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 Should be arriving quite soon now - only a couple of months to go ... This should be another 'stand out' model, like the Dapol 68 is. Al. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzer Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 If only Dapol would sort their coupling heights. I have 5 68s and a rake of IDA wagons. All unusable out of the box due to low coupling heights causing derailments over points and curves. Great models but the NEM pockets are not at standard height like all Hornby and Bachmann models. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric709 Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 On 19/07/2019 at 10:39, Roy Langridge said: Freightliner 70 tested on a Merehead - Acton train last night. 4600t handled with ease. Perhaps the 59s will be on their way? Roy 4495t lifted the train out of Merehead with out the need for the Switcher to shove it, some the 59’s do need this was just a trial though, there is no long term plan to have 70’s down there. Quite the opposite in fact 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric709 Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 On 07/07/2019 at 09:35, daz9284 said: I know a guy who is 'highish' up in FL and knows people in other FOC's and I've asked him to ask whoever gets them if there is any change of renaming 59201 and putting it back into NP livery :-D I work for FL and im sure there’s a 99% chance that no locos will be repainted NP livery why would we want to colours of a defunct company, with historical ties to EWS, hauling a flagship contract? 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogbox321 Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 47 minutes ago, eric709 said: 4495t lifted the train out of Merehead with out the need for the Switcher to shove it, some the 59’s do need this was just a trial though, there is no long term plan to have 70’s down there. Quite the opposite in fact Were there a fire engine on standby, just in case? Would say that its quite clever in getting some money for a locomotive (Class 59) that has probably performed towards its design life, and so likely to need some expensive work or logically replacement soon. (Yes, I know GM products can be refurbished, and often are in the States but would more modern equipment fit in the UK's loading gauge? Plus there is the "downtime" and the possibility of having to hire other locomotives to cover such "downtime"). So to a business, that just wants to move its products from A to B, would the hassle, along with altering VMOI's, teething troubles etc., actually be worth it?) With high levels of competition in the freight market, no possibility of acquiring new 66's and the hassle of possibly looking at taking on a new locomotive fleet, that does not even exist, then could easily expect this has been the rationale behind getting rid of their locomotives and going towards hook and haul. When the 59 was purchased, BR was in the Class 56 and Class 58 era, possibly providing some incentive to get a locomotive that could perform "better" for the jumbo trains. Now there is the possibility of pouring millions of pounds into something to develop and purchase a replacement, in an area that is not your core business, whist the alternative in the privatised era is pretty "risk free" - to go to a few established FOC's and get a good price to pull "X" amount of trains/tonnes, with more modern technology (especially with Class 66's and Class 70's sitting around doing nothing). But then again, (and must confess to being no expert on fleet performances) but it would be quite embarrasing, if their fleet performance could not match the 59's reliability record! On top of that, the customer gets to off load a fleet of "old" locos that whilst they still do a job, are to all intents and purposes getting old, and would probably benefit from an easier life. Most freight companies don't do things for fun, its usually to test an idea, and to explore options to offer a better product! Regards liveries, then whatever livery turns up, hopefully it won't be pink, but would expect any alteration to be sympathetic to the customer, if the 59's were to remain in the Mendips. Regards, C. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted July 20, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 20, 2019 3 hours ago, Fitzer said: If only Dapol would sort their coupling heights. I have 5 68s and a rake of IDA wagons. All unusable out of the box due to low coupling heights causing derailments over points and curves. Great models but the NEM pockets are not at standard height like all Hornby and Bachmann models. I guess you've never had a Bachmann Mk1 then? (One solution is to glue a Kadee on top of the NEM box.........) 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcoblanco Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 A 59 in orange!! Yuk!! This will have to be brought up in parliment!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
atom3624 Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 I think these are still due during October or early November if I'm not mistaken. The Hattons' 66 should already be established by then. Both models look absolutely superb - looking forwards to comparisons between them!! Al. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-BOAF Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 On 20/07/2019 at 21:54, eric709 said: I work for FL and im sure there’s a 99% chance that no locos will be repainted NP livery why would we want to colours of a defunct company, with historical ties to EWS, hauling a flagship contract? Why do DRS pain their Class 37s in Large Logo, when that fleet basically all went to EWS? Its call heritage and recognising origins. As you say it is a defunct company. As for a flagship contract, British Airways operate their 'flagship' London-New York route with 747s painted in BOAC, 1970s BA and 1980s BA livery.... and just last month flew their BOAC jumbo with the Red Arrows to much public acclaim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
atom3624 Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 Missed that one - that would be superb!! Loved the old BOAC livery!! Al. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
black and decker boy Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 2 hours ago, G-BOAF said: Why do DRS pain their Class 37s in Large Logo, when that fleet basically all went to EWS? Its call heritage and recognising origins. As you say it is a defunct company. As for a flagship contract, British Airways operate their 'flagship' London-New York route with 747s painted in BOAC, 1970s BA and 1980s BA livery.... and just last month flew their BOAC jumbo with the Red Arrows to much public acclaim The BA liveries are all predecessor companies of BA. You don’t see BA painting a jumbo in a heritage livery of Laker or Virgin do you? as for the 37/4s, apparently some TOCs wanted a neutral livery and 37/4s in Large Logo hold a sentimental place in enthusiasts hearts and gets free PR. a full NP livery 59 would require permission of NP (well it’s successor in title) who may question why they would permit such a creation to then haul virgin quarried stone to London. We don’t even know if FL are buying the 59/2s yet anyway 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz9284 Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 Has there been any new pictures of the sample 59's with revised colour schemes and modifications? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGR Hooper! Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 1 hour ago, daz9284 said: Has there been any new pictures of the sample 59's with revised colour schemes and modifications? Nope! Or rather nothing that's not already been posted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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