Castle Aching

[corneliuslundie]

I think Danny Pinnock is now semi retired but still does batches of kits to pre-order or similar. However, i don't think he retained all his masters. I remember a discussion on the subject some time ago but cannot remember where, though it may have been on RMWeb.

Jonathan

BTW the real Cornelius Lundie died after catching a chill on a GWR train. Quite possibly in a clerestory coach!

[Nearholmer]

With things being generally quiet in West Norfolk, I thought that another extension of the line might be in order.

 

These chaps appear in 'Our Iron Roads', which has to be the best value for money insight to high Victorian railways in existence. My copy cost a couple of pounds, and is the 1883 edition. They wrote good railway books in those days, cramming engineering, social comment, finance, humour etc in, which makes for a better read than the sort of dry mega-detail that is popular today.

 

Kevin

[Northroader]

Caption: "we'll have to tunnel through that broom cupboard"?

[Edwardian]

With things being generally quiet in West Norfolk, I thought that another extension of the line might be in order.

 

These chaps appear in 'Our Iron Roads', which has to be the best value for money insight to high Victorian railways in existence. My copy cost a couple of pounds, and is the 1883 edition. They wrote good railway books in those days, cramming engineering, social comment, finance, humour etc in, which makes for a better read than the sort of dry mega-detail that is popular today.

 

Kevin

 

A Levelling Party:

[Nearholmer]

That thought crossed my mind too. Wasn't Winstanley further to the left, a Digger, rather than a Leveller, though? I used to know the fine distinctions, because I got very deeply into all this stuff while I was a member of the Sealed Knot.

 

Strange, but true, and entirely useless, fact is that the main Digger commune was in Surrey, in what became the estate of the house owned by Mrs Beeton of cookery book fame (her husband, actually, I think), and was later still the management training college of London Transport.

 

Good song, although modern, rather than contemporary: we come in peace they said; to dig and sow; to plant out the commons; and to make the wastelands grow; this earth divided; we shall make whole; to be a common treasury for all!

 

K

 

[corrected spelling mistake, which made it appear that the Diggers were more interested in darning than planting]

Edited October 7, 2016 by Nearholmer

[TheQ]

Great news for the railway ( on the local news today, Radio Norfolk) the local Omnibuses  have been diverted away from Castle  Acre Aching due to road works ten miles away. There is no Public transport to Castle Acre Aching.

[Edwardian]

That thought crossed my mind too. Wasn't Winstanley further to the left, a Digger, rather than a Leveller, though? I used to know the fine distinctions, because I got very deeply into all this stuff while I was a member of the Sealed Knot.

 

Strange, but true, and entirely useless, fact is that the main Digger commune was in Surrey, in what became the estate of the house owned by Mrs Beeton of cookery book fame (her husband, actually, I think), and was later still the management training college of London Transport.

 

Good song, although modern, rather than contemporary: we come in peace they said; to dig and sew; to plant out the commons; and to make the wastelands grow; this earth divided; we shall make whole; to be a common treasury for all!

 

K

 

I used to know them too, although, my undergraduate thesis was Restoration, rather than Civil War; I rather think I spent longer considering the policy of Charles II towards the moderate Presbyterians than he did!

[Nearholmer]

Good stuff! The role of Scots Presbyterians in the second civil war, and the restoration, always confused me, and I had no idea that there were immoderate and moderate varieties. Used to have good fun dressing as a Presbyterian Minister of the time, and spouting long passages from Ephesians C6, for the benefit of tourists at Warwick Castle though. At some point, I would then get "arrested", followed by drumhead court etc.

 

K

Edited October 7, 2016 by Nearholmer

[Edwardian]

Good stuff! The role of Scots Presbyterians in the second civil war, and the restoration, always confused me, and I had no idea that there were immoderate and moderate varieties. Used to have good fun dressing as a Presbyterian Minister of the time, and spouting long passages from Ephesians C6, for the benefit of tourists at Warwick Castle though. At some point, I would then get "arrested", followed by drumhead court etc.

 

K

 

Well, my thesis, long-since, no doubt, the unacknowledged basis of a chapter in one of my Supervisor's books, centred on the Worcester House Declaration of 1660, a then relatively neglected subject, so it was pretty much primary sources all the way! 

 

As you no doubt know, Charles II was far from vindictive and vengeful on the restoration.  He drew the line at the Regicides, but otherwise was all about inclusiveness, to give the regime as broad a base as possible, often to the chagrin of some returning Cavaliers, who often did not recover their lands from the Roundhead usurpers!

 

If only the returning Bourbons in 1814, or the newly re-elected Corbyn for that matter, had displayed similar wisdom .... 

 

Anyhow, in religious terms, that meant attempting to give the re-established C of E as broad a base as possible - no Laudian smells, bells and spells, as that had caused the problem in the first place - and it was felt that the moderate Presbyterians might be persuaded to come into the Anglican fold. 

 

Alas, it did not come off.

Edited October 7, 2016 by Edwardian

[Nearholmer]

Research from C17th primary sources at undergrad level - I'm impressed.

 

Trying to steer us back vaguely towards topic: as well pole-lathe turning, map-surveying, sectarian religion, and proto-socialism, being interested in the Civil War wandered-off down other avenues, and the group that I was part of built a cottage, from scratch, felling our own timber etc .....be patient, on topic stuff coming .......... next project up was devised by the geologist in the group, myself, and another, and was to be a mine, complete with waggonway (well, a short bit), inspired by all this https://nottinghamhiddenhistoryteam.wordpress.com/2013/07/30/huntingdon-beaumonts-wollaton-to-strelley-waggonway/

 

Unfortunately, we never progressed this one, partly because the owner of the stately pile in whose grounds we based ourselves was not entirely convinced that we should dig great holes; we had to be quite careful to stay off areas of true archaeological interest, as it was.

 

So, early-modern railways.

 

K

[Edwardian]

Some little progress on the West Norfolk 6-wheel Brake Third.

 

I decided to combine the left over Triang clerestory parts with the roof and ends from a Ratio Midland suburban coach.  This results in an arc roof, rather than the semi-elliptical of the clerestory.  Hopefully this all helps to give the coaches their own look.

 

The Ratio Midland suburban kits include the roof, ends, and gas lamps and torpedo vents on a single sprue, which a nice lady at Peco will sell you separately for £4 a pop.

 

I have sprayed the coach grey, in order to spot the blemishes.  I have never done this before, but it has proved to be a good idea, as the need for further filling and sanding is quite evident!

 

 

 

 

[Mikkel]

Very nice! The single arc roof works very well with the sides, well spotted.

 

One reason that the Triang coaches works so well, I think, is the nicely pronounced panels and details. The eye catches them immediately - especially in primer of course.

[BG John]

The Ratio Midland suburban kits include the roof, ends, and gas lamps and torpedo vents on a single sprue, which a nice lady at Peco will sell you separately for £4 a pop.

Aaarrggghhhhh! I could have bought a complete kit for £4 today. Shame you didn't tell us that yesterday!

[ChrisN]

Some little progress on the West Norfolk 6-wheel Brake Third.

 

I decided to combine the left over Triang clerestory parts with the roof and ends from a Ratio Midland suburban coach.  This results in an arc roof, rather than the semi-elliptical of the clerestory.  Hopefully this all helps to give the coaches their own look.

 

The Ratio Midland suburban kits include the roof, ends, and gas lamps and torpedo vents on a single sprue, which a nice lady at Peco will sell you separately for £4 a pop.

 

I have sprayed the coach grey, in order to spot the blemishes.  I have never done this before, but it has proved to be a good idea, as the need for further filling and sanding is quite evident!

 

What a clever idea.  I keep looking at the Triang Clerestorys on EBay and wondering if I should try and make something.  I have lots of kits to do first though.  I will have to ask Peco about Ratio chassis.  If you want the top half of the Ratio 4 whelers let me know, I think I have about 4 at the moment.

[phil_sutters]

I have been trying to hack some rather recalcitrant Triang bodies into a pair of Great Western Clerestory Van Thirds.

 

What has this to do with Norfolk? I hear you cry.

 

About as much as half the posts here (including mine), I answer.

 

Anyway.  There are some Bits Left Over.

 

And I thought, they could all be stuck together to make a nice 6-wheel Brake Third for the West Norfolk's 'Mainline' stock.

I did quite a lot of clerestory hacking 50 years ago. I tried a Brake Third

 

 

I had bits left over from that and SDJR stock and this was made from some of them

 

 

I did have a go at a corridor tri-composite clerestory. It looks a bit messy now, but I was only about 20 at the time.

 

 

Your's are going to look a whole lot neater!

Edited October 8, 2016 by phil_sutters

[Edwardian]

What a clever idea.  I keep looking at the Triang Clerestorys on EBay and wondering if I should try and make something.  I have lots of kits to do first though.  I will have to ask Peco about Ratio chassis.  If you want the top half of the Ratio 4 whelers let me know, I think I have about 4 at the moment.

 

Chris, if you want the underframes only for the Ratio GW 4-wheel coaches, they are available at £2.50 per sprue, but bear in mind that is just one side, so 2 sprues per coach. I 'phoned Ratio who said, "yes", but I'd have to speak to Peco's technical department to confirm the price, and I dealt with a nice lady there.

 

 

I did quite a lot of clerestory hacking 50 years ago. I tried a Brake Third

 

GWR 4compt brake 3rd clerestory non corr.jpg

 

I had bits left over from that and SDJR stock and this was made from some of them

 

GWR Three centre roof 4 compt brake 3rd c1900.jpg

 

I did have a go at a corridor tri-composite clerestory. It looks a bit messy now, but I was only about 20 at the time.

 

GWR composite clerestory corridor.jpg

 

Your's are going to look a whole lot neater!

 

I am not so sure, Phil -  a lot of work will be required to get them looking as good as yours.

[ChrisN]

Thank you, I had thought you could get the chassis separately but I will actually phone them now.

[Donw]

Research from C17th primary sources at undergrad level - I'm impressed.

 

Trying to steer us back vaguely towards topic: as well pole-lathe turning, map-surveying, sectarian religion, and proto-socialism, being interested in the Civil War wandered-off down other avenues, and the group that I was part of built a cottage, from scratch, felling our own timber etc .....be patient, on topic stuff coming .......... next project up was devised by the geologist in the group, myself, and another, and was to be a mine, complete with waggonway (well, a short bit), inspired by all this https://nottinghamhiddenhistoryteam.wordpress.com/2013/07/30/huntingdon-beaumonts-wollaton-to-strelley-waggonway/

 

Unfortunately, we never progressed this one, partly because the owner of the stately pile in whose grounds we based ourselves was not entirely convinced that we should dig great holes; we had to be quite careful to stay off areas of true archaeological interest, as it was.

 

So, early-modern railways.

 

K

 

About the same time as the Wollaton one James Clifford was using a waggonway to transport coal from Broseley to Jackfield on the Severn. Some time later 'Boring' Wilkinson was using one from Willey

 

Don

[wagonman]

Thank you, I had thought you could get the chassis separately but I will actually phone them now.

 

 

There is also a brass replacement chassis available: it used to be Haye Developments but I think it's still available from Frogmore. You'll still need axleboxes and springs of course...

[Nearholmer]

Edwardian

 

That coach is really looking the part. There used to be a grounded coach, which could easily have been yours, near where the seal boats go to Blakeney Point. I was poking around, photographing it, when an old guy peered out at me from inside, and I realised that it was his home. A retired pirate, by the look of him, he was quite happy for me to look round, once I'd recovered from the shock, and apologised for intruding.

 

Don

 

Have you got a copies of the bibles below? Lewis is top notch, even though quite a few years old now.

 

K

Edited October 9, 2016 by Nearholmer

[jcm@gwr]

What's 'Heavy Metal' got to do with grounded coach bodies?

[Nearholmer]

You have to watch this to find out

 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5lYe-0CLXrs

 

K

[Edwardian]

Aaarrggghhhhh! I could have bought a complete kit for £4 today. Shame you didn't tell us that yesterday!

 

Well, John, next time you see one, please grab it or let me know.

 

I would like a set of one of each pending any future Midland modelling, but, beyond that, Jonathan Wealleans has pointed out that in the past they have been used for GER 6-wheeler conversions, which would suit me down to the ground, in fact, I ordered some roofs from Peco thinking that they were the correct arc roof profile for the GE coaches, but failed to consider cutting and shutting the sides!

Edited October 9, 2016 by Edwardian

[BG John]

Well, John, next time you see one, please grab it or let me know.

 

I would like a set of one of each pending any future Midland modelling, but, beyond that, Jonathan Wealleans has pointed out that in the past they have been used for GER 6-wheeler conversions, which would suit me down to the ground, in fact, I ordered some roofs from Peco thinking that they were the correct arc roof profile for the GE coaches, but failed to consider cutting and shutting the sides!

It's been on the sales stand at the last two exhibitions I've been to, so may still be there next time. I think there may have been another one too, as well as an LNWR one, but I think that was an extortionate fiver. I was tempted, but self-control got the better of me!

[wagonman]

Edwardian

 

That coach is really looking the part. There used to be a grounded coach, which could easily have been yours, near where the seal boats go to Blakeney Point. I was poking around, photographing it, when an old guy peered out at me from inside, and I realised that it was his home. A retired pirate, by the look of him, he was quite happy for me to look round, once I'd recovered from the shock, and apologised for intruding.

 

Don

 

Have you got a copies of the bibles below? Lewis is top notch, even though quite a few years old now.

 

K

 

 

I remember the grounded coach at Morston quay. I also remember the inhabitant though I've forgotten his name.

 

BTW if you think Lewis is a bit out of date, what does that make Agricola?

 

 

Richard