RMweb Gold 30801 Posted November 12, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 12, 2018 Which reminds me. Big Clive did a smart meter a while ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium boxbrownie Posted November 12, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 12, 2018 Johns right the next generation of smart meters known as smets2 will be available later this year if you want a smart meter wait until these are available. thats what i'm doing ( i work for one of the big 6). Steve That was back in April ‘17.........you have obviously been playing trains too much 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJGraphics Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 This makes interesting reading . . . http://watt-logic.com/2018/06/13/smets2/ Basically it implies that the Government are going to force this on everyone, come Hell or High Water, and we will have to pay a lot of money for their stupidity because they will not admit they have screwed this up. Nothing new there then . . . ! John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkC Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 Call me cynical, but how are we going to be able to check, short of manually monitoring the meter 24/7, once we are forced onto variable peak/off peak tariffs (and it will happen), that the charging is actually correct? Seems like a splendid way to rip us off even more, tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Reorte Posted November 12, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 12, 2018 This makes interesting reading . . . http://watt-logic.com/2018/06/13/smets2/ Basically it implies that the Government are going to force this on everyone, come Hell or High Water, and we will have to pay a lot of money for their stupidity because they will not admit they have screwed this up. Nothing new there then . . . ! In that: "In order to resolve this problem, the Government granted Smart DCC limited, a subsidiary of Capita plc..." There's that name... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spikey Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 In that: "In order to resolve this problem, the Government granted Smart DCC limited, a subsidiary of Capita plc..." There's that name... Capita ... Crapita ... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkC Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 In that: "In order to resolve this problem, the Government granted Smart DCC limited, a subsidiary of Capita plc..." There's that name... Cr@pita...sums up all that is wrong... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Reorte Posted November 12, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 12, 2018 DCC, something that's never caused debate on RMWeb before Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Endacott Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 Q: Why is a smart meter like a Class 800? A: There are so many about now that someone will have to make them work properly. Geoff Endacott Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeoffAlan Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 I worked in the gas industry (gas distribution side) all my life - leaving school to retirement a few years ago. Smart meters have there uses, for both consumers (not many) AND suppliers (very many). The suppliers WILL in the not to distant future, price by the hour using TOU (time of use) tariffs. Peak load (Teatime) will be more expensive, a way of reducing demand for both gas and electricity. Coal power stations are closing and no nuclear replacements will be ready anytime soon. Wind won't supply base (electric) load. Smart meters will "make up the difference" by price forcing energy use reduction at peak times. I won't voluntarily have them installed until forced to do so. Brit15 I've been told the exact same thing by an insider in one of the supply companies. Unless you're too stupid to read your own meter and know that switching something on uses power, there's no benefit to the consumer. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir TophamHatt Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 (edited) ...however you must also go on to fixed monthly direct debit, which IMO is not a fair way to take money for a product.I prefer a fixed direct debit. Means: 1) I know how much is coming out every month. 2) I don't really have to worry about huge bills. In the summer, my account will go into credit. In the winter, it'll bill more than the DD, but use the outstanding credit I already have. Been doing it this way for years. You can say "I'd rather keep that extra money in my account" but the extra it'll be is probably equal to less than £1 a year in interest gained. But I understand people who want to pay for exactly what they use. I don't really give a monkeys whether I'm have a smart meter or not. My approach is to delay to get the best meter possible. Those who have already got one will have version 1 (or whatever) so in 10/15 years, it'll be old and out of date. I'm hoping within 10 years, it'll be version 4 or 5 and will come with various extra features, perhaps Hive connections for example. Edited November 16, 2018 by Sir TophamHatt 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 My approach is to delay to get the best meter possible. Those who have already got one will have version 1 (or whatever) so in 10/15 years, it'll be old and out of date. I'm hoping within 10 years, it'll be version 4 or 5 and will come with various extra features, perhaps Hive connections for example. Oh, fresh honey for the breakfast toast! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southernman46 Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 Slightly OT but meter related ............. just had my existing "tin" gas meter moved from under the sink to a box outside by Wales & West Utilities (it cost me £600) BUT for that I got a VERY professional COMPLETE job - not only moving the meter and all the associated gas connections but a brand new connection to the street main excavated down the side of the bungalow with excellent re-instatement after and the guys doing all the work were fab .................. isn't it nice in today's environment to be able to say that about a Utility and I have made a point to tell the W&W contact dealing with my work just that ................ feels like money well spent. 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
locomad Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 Having been left to check on a couple of holiday lets I can now say that with the mains switch off on the fuse panel so no electrity is used, the smart meter reading is about 5kW/hr per month that's about £1 per month on top of the standing charge so smart meters do consume electrity to operate. Don't sound much about £12 per year but still an extra charge Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted November 24, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 24, 2018 Having been left to check on a couple of holiday lets I can now say that with the mains switch off on the fuse panel so no electrity is used, the smart meter reading is about 5kW/hr per month that's about £1 per month on top of the standing charge so smart meters do consume electrity to operate. Don't sound much about £12 per year but still an extra charge That's a lot for a bunch of electronics that shouldn't need more than a few microamps to maintain. Even my PVR wouldn't use that much on standby. Is there possibly some leakage somewhere? keith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ess1uk Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46305961 Saving only £11 a year? And it costs £12 a year to run? Even with my dodgy math, that’s no saving Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Pannier Tank Posted December 18, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 18, 2018 Although I stopped receiving "We need to change your Meter to a Smart Meter" Red Letters, they started to appear again. I contacted Eon who advised me that they will "opt me out" for another twelve months at which time I need to ask them to "opt out" again!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 Just stick them in the recycle bin where they belong. ((Perhaps I mean Eon... ;P )) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold SHMD Posted December 19, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 19, 2018 Although I stopped receiving "We need to change your Meter to a Smart Meter" Red Letters, they started to appear again. I contacted Eon who advised me that they will "opt me out" for another twelve months at which time I need to ask them to "opt out" again!! Indeed, I have recently received the advice (again) that the had arranged for me to have a smart meter fitted and that they were coming around on such-a-day to install it. As I have told them twice before, that I don't want anything to do with these new meters, I will now Ignore them entirely. If I switch off everything (I need to) when I leave the house then the smart expensive meter can have no benefit except to allow demand related pricing in the future. Kev. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jjb1970 Posted December 20, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 20, 2018 Just stick them in the recycle bin where they belong. ((Perhaps I mean Eon... ;P )) A few years ago their CEO was a chap called Wulf Bernotat. He was very vocal in his criticism of the UK government and UK energy policy and regularly spoke to the press about what a bunch of idiots we had running energy policy. Now ordinarily I'd agree with him (DECC as was were in the same class as DafT) but this is a guy who took E.ON on a mega acquisition spree paying top dollar for utter junk, much of which was very quickly written down followed by a share price collapse and asset fire sale. He was notably less vocal commenting on the ineptitude and complete cluster you know what of his own leadership and his board. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJGraphics Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 My next door neighbour had a completely unannounced "we've come to fit your new Smart Meter" visit the other day. I happened to be outside cleaning my car and heard some of the conversation. My neighbour is an extremely pleasant and helpful bloke, but he does not suffer fools gladly. I think the installer must have got a bit pushy when the neighbour refused to let him install a meter as, after an exchange of words with the neighbour, he was invited to take his meter and go forth and multiply! It was quite an entertaining few minutes from my point of view! I'm aware of several people who have been personally badgered about having a meter installed and one of them who is a lady of fairly mature years got extremely upset and threatened to call the Police at which point the installer hightailed it . . . John 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold SHMD Posted December 24, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 24, 2018 My next door neighbour had a completely unannounced "we've come to fit your new Smart Meter" visit the other day. I happened to be outside cleaning my car and heard some of the conversation. My neighbour is an extremely pleasant and helpful bloke, but he does not suffer fools gladly. I think the installer must have got a bit pushy when the neighbour refused to let him install a meter as, after an exchange of words with the neighbour, he was invited to take his meter and go forth and multiply! It was quite an entertaining few minutes from my point of view! I'm aware of several people who have been personally badgered about having a meter installed and one of them who is a lady of fairly mature years got extremely upset and threatened to call the Police at which point the installer hightailed it . . . John ..a worrying new tactic? Sub-contract the work out with performance related bonuses? Poor, very poor - especially to the vulnerable - if this is true. Kev. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJGraphics Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 ..a worrying new tactic? Sub-contract the work out with performance related bonuses? Poor, very poor - especially to the vulnerable - if this is true. Kev. It would not surprise me to find out that incentives are being offered to the installers as the whole thing is now desperately behind schedule and the suppliers must be hurting seriously over this debacle. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jjb1970 Posted December 24, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 24, 2018 Debacle, that sums up this sorry saga in a single word. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
APOLLO Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 Con trick sums it up in two !! Brit15 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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