Bomag Posted August 14, 2021 Share Posted August 14, 2021 The Dapol Mk3 catering car was a compromise and is not right for any of them. As initially produced it covered:- Mk3 TRSB GK401 and conversions to GN401, GN102, GK103 Mk3a RFM (ex Mk3 TRUKs) 10200-10211 Mk3a RFM (ex Mk3a RUBs) 10230-10260 Its not to far from a MK3 TRUK/TRFK and has been used for the Prototype HST 10000 TRB and 10100 TRUK The end is a mish-mash of bits. It's also wrong for any of the fGW RFM coaches as they look to all be ex Mk3a FO RFMs, 10212-10229. Still doesn't justify not doing the ends correctly Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John M Upton Posted August 15, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 15, 2021 It seems that the potential bargain bin fodder departmental maroon ones (both the same coach in reality!) have now arrived with some retailers but still no sign of the blue/grey which I want but am starting to worry about what shade of blue will have been used now. Dapol seems to be a bit of a lottery... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium JR_P Posted August 15, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 15, 2021 4 hours ago, John M Upton said: It seems that the potential bargain bin fodder departmental maroon ones (both the same coach in reality!) have now arrived with some retailers Seems bizarre that Dapol would rush-out what will surely be the least popular of the sleeper liveries.... I am left increasingly bewildered by Dapol’s ‘game plan’ for N gauge.... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Kris Posted August 15, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 15, 2021 36 minutes ago, JR_P said: Seems bizarre that Dapol would rush-out what will surely be the least popular of the sleeper liveries.... I am left increasingly bewildered by Dapol’s ‘game plan’ for N gauge.... Standard for Dapol and Farish. Provide only the worst liveries first so they sell, then bring out the more popular ones. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahame Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 1 hour ago, JR_P said: Seems bizarre that Dapol would rush-out what will surely be the least popular of the sleeper liveries.... I guess that's one thing we can never be absolutely sure of - which are the least popular and which are the most popular of various liveries of particular subjects, especially those not produced before and where production isn't solely based on pre-orders. We probably all have our own favourites and requirements. Nonetheless, they'll probably all sell (at least over time) and one would like to think that they will learn from turkeys that don't sell for future production. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John M Upton Posted August 15, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 15, 2021 If those silly maroon ones do get knocked down cheap, I expect they will get scooped up for many a conversion project. EPS generator cars are the first thing that springs to mind... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John M Upton Posted September 23, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 23, 2021 Well, Rails of Sheffield have just posted the list of Dapol items expected in the next couple of months and the Sleepers are conspicuous by their absence... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Steven B Posted October 1, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 1, 2021 Hopefully they'll arrive with the missing liveries from the second batch of Pacers... Steven B. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 03060 Posted October 6, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 6, 2021 Just had an email from Rails to say that my x3 Inter City sleepers have been despatched. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TomE Posted October 6, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 6, 2021 I see the Dapol 'close enough' department has been at the fonts again. Tom. 1 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Stuart A Posted October 6, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 6, 2021 43 minutes ago, TomE said: I see the Dapol 'close enough' department has been at the fonts again. Tom. ah FFS. And 1998 onwards overhead warning signs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steadfast Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 What a shame, does seem to be a lucky dip with Dapol. Hopefully they'll make their way to the bargain bins for some fun with the paints and stickers. Jo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John M Upton Posted October 7, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 7, 2021 (edited) What shades of Intercity grey are those supposed to be? Also despite the later o/h warning stickers, they missed off the orange cant rail line... EDIT - Just noticed there are quite a lot of markings missing off the livery. One for a detailing up project rather than ready to run I think. I intended to buy an IC one to Scotrail blue stripe it (there was one) but I reckon there could be a complete repaint on the cards looking at that. Any sign of the blue/grey versions yet? Edited October 7, 2021 by John M Upton 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Steven B Posted October 7, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 7, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, John M Upton said: What shades of Intercity grey are those supposed to be? To be fair, the image does look rather over exposed which will affect the shades of grey. That doesn't excuse the white line being too thick... Who's going to be first to ask RailTec to do a correction pack? Does anyone want to contribute to a fund to send Dapol a full set of Railmatch/Phoenix Paints and a copy of the Fox Transfers catalogue? Steven B. Edited October 7, 2021 by Steven B 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahame Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 Is it a photo of a final production example as on sale in shops. Or is it an older incompletely decorated pre-production sample? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TomE Posted October 7, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 7, 2021 33 minutes ago, grahame said: Is it a photo of a final production example as on sale in shops. Or is it an older incompletely decorated pre-production sample? The photo is from the Rails Of Sheffield listing, so safe to assume it’s a final production example. https://railsofsheffield.com/products/Dapol-2p-006-002-br-intercity-executive-mk3-sleeper-coach-no10701 Tom. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calnefoxile Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 9 minutes ago, The 158 Man said: So: - Silver window surrounds missing. - Sleeper text missing from beside the doors. - INTERCITY lettering looks like a homemade attempt rather than using the official font? - Door locking lights not painted. - And STILL they think Executive and Swallow are the same thing. Going well then. I thought Hornby were bad at times. But joking aside, none of this is acceptable in a world where anyone can find a multitude of photographs to work from within minutes or even seconds of going on the internet! Whilst I agree on the Window Surrounds and the Door Locking lights, I think you'll find that the 'Sleeper' Text is on the coach, I've circled it on this image, it looks like that says 'Sleeper' to me anyway. Regards Neal. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calnefoxile Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 (edited) 11 minutes ago, The 158 Man said: Oh yes I can see it now on that end. I'm almost certain they had the text at both ends though... Mmm wondering then if some coaches had 'Sleeper' at one end and some at both ends?? Because the photo used in the Dapol literature only seems to have it at one end. Regards Neal. Edited October 7, 2021 by Calnefoxile Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Adam1701D Posted October 7, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 7, 2021 Livery issues notwithstanding, at £27 quid a pop, they are very good value and will be improved nicely with a set of Railtec lettering. I'm planning a couple of Mk3s for the Fort William sleeper circa 1988 but will probably do my own vinyl sides on stripped down GF bodies. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calnefoxile Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 5 minutes ago, Captain Electra said: Livery issues notwithstanding, at £27 quid a pop, they are very good value and will be improved nicely with a set of Railtec lettering. Agreed Adam, I'm waiting for the BR Blue ones to arrive, surprised they're not in the first batch!!! Cheers Neal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fezza Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 The failure to apply window surrounds is bizarre given that these are on other Dapol MK3 stock. Does ANYBODY check stuff before it goes into production these days? These look even dafter than the Pacer... This is just basic stuff - even a five year old child could see this mistake. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Davexoc Posted October 7, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 7, 2021 3 hours ago, fezza said: The failure to apply window surrounds is bizarre given that these are on other Dapol MK3 stock. Does ANYBODY check stuff before it goes into production these days? These look even dafter than the Pacer... This is just basic stuff - even a five year old child could see this mistake. Maybe they were made to a pricepoint, one that didn't allow for the printing masks to be produced. They are cheap and would be classed as 'Railroad' in Hornby speak? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Kris Posted October 7, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 7, 2021 4 hours ago, The 158 Man said: It's very faint in the picture above but it is there. You can also see it on the coach next to it but you do have to really zoom in. Lima and Hornby also printed it on both ends on both sides so I assume this was the livery specification. Granted there may have been an odd one missing here and there but that would certainly have been the exception rather than the norm. Do Railtec do transfers... Looking at a photo of the real coach 10701 on Flicker it appears that there was only a single "sleeper" on this side. Admittedly the photo I found was from 2009 in "preservation". https://www.flickr.com/photos/rob37430/6765973043 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Adam1701D Posted October 7, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 7, 2021 4 hours ago, The 158 Man said: Hi John I think the Sleeper with the blue stripe was actually a BR Blue stripe rather than the ScotRail light blue? There was a couple of threads on here a while back discussing it and one had a picture, but sadly the photo link doesn't work anymore. I'm 99% sure Captain Elektra did some graphics for it?! I did indeed. The blue stripe was Rail Blue, rather than the traditional Provincial Light Blue but otherwise in Standard Exec livery. The coaches were 10578 and 10610 if anyone fancies a go. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Adam1701D Posted October 7, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 7, 2021 15 minutes ago, Kris said: Looking at a photo of the real coach 10701 on Flicker it appears that there was only a single "sleeper" on this side. Admittedly the photo I found was from 2009 in "preservation". https://www.flickr.com/photos/rob37430/6765973043 The spec was to have the word Sleeper at each end, though there must have been numerous occasions where this was not followed. It always pays to find a good selection of photos if you can. At least, when I mess up, it's a case of modify the artwork, a quick run through the printer and the cost of a stamp. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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