DJM, the end.

[Compound2632]

I'm building up the picture that, on the various projects in which D Jones has been involved, the technical work - from drawing up the CAD to making the tooling, as well as production, was done by the Chinese Factory (or Factories), whilst the prototype research (or at least contributions towards it) was done by various others, including at least one contributor to this thread, so that his role was that of a broker. Maybe I've gained a false impression but, to quote the well-known hum, "Just tell me, somebody, what did he do?"

[Roy Langridge]

I have received a message from the Liquidators that seems to suggest that if you don't get a refund from either PayPal or your credit card, you won't be getting one from them.

 

Quote

If no refund is forthcoming then you would be a creditor of the Company. The Company has no funds to pay a refund. Funds would only be forthcoming if a distribution is paid on this. Based on present information there will be no distribution.

 

Bye-bye deposit - which if I am honest, is exactly what I was expecting.

Roy

[griffgriff]

A quote from his zenfolio site.

 

“However i do have a 'photoshoped' gallery that is currently empty where i will put 'artistic' pictures as and when i can be bothered to do some”

 

A rather large clue to his general ethos on life perhaps?

 

Griff
 

[Stoker]

1 hour ago, Yakcamp said:

https://davejonesphotography.zenfolio.com/. The ‘snaps’ of an O level photographer........

That's a lot of photos of a lot of things and yet at the same time, nothing at all.

[Roy Langridge]

Come on guys, surely it is time to let some of this go? It seems that this "investigation" into DJ's life is now getting rather unnecessary and, quite frankly, beyond the realms of this thread.

Roy

[Phil Parker]

Can we stop playing detective for the moment. If you are wrong, there are potential legal implications to mistaken identity if you publish them in public like this. 

[Les1952]

Just a thought.

 

RMWeb has generated thirty-four pages on this topic.

 

I belong to two other forums which have members who have orders for crowdfunded items or pre-orders with shops (I have both).

 

One generated less than thirty posts and moved on to something more interesting.

 

The other has ONE post (the announcement) and NOT ONE reply.

 

Isn't it time to shut up and let the liquidators get on with things?

 

Les

 

[justin1985]

2 hours ago, Compound2632 said:

I'm building up the picture that, on the various projects in which D Jones has been involved, the technical work - from drawing up the CAD to making the tooling, as well as production, was done by the Chinese Factory (or Factories), whilst the prototype research (or at least contributions towards it) was done by various others, including at least one contributor to this thread, so that his role was that of a broker. Maybe I've gained a false impression but, to quote the well-known hum, "Just tell me, somebody, what did he do?"

 

I'd have said this much was pretty clear from very early on. Did no one else find the various "waiting for the CADs" updates revealing? 

 

I'm actually a bit dubious as to how much of this is actually done in-house (or at least locally in the UK) by the big boys as well. 

[Phil Parker]

Great. I wake up, check my phone and find Andy Y has beaten me to cleaning up people rambling about production moving to China. Guess what, we know it moved to China, 20 YEARS AGO. What's that got to do with DJM? Nothing.

 

While I'm ranting, discussion about how many pages this thread will make or telling everyone YOU have decided that it's gone on long enough are as "exciting " as the interminable MRJ  comments telling us which branch of Smiths haven't got the latest issue in yet.

 

I suspect the discussion has largely run out of steam until or unless I can persuade the liquidators to give me a statement. I'll try again for this later today. 

[DavidH]

22 minutes ago, Phil Parker said:

Great. I wake up, check my phone

 

Crazy man!  Why would you want to check your phone this early anyway? Do you get paid overtime for that?

 

What happened to the other moderators?

[jjb1970]

10 hours ago, Compound2632 said:

I'm building up the picture that, on the various projects in which D Jones has been involved, the technical work - from drawing up the CAD to making the tooling, as well as production, was done by the Chinese Factory (or Factories), whilst the prototype research (or at least contributions towards it) was done by various others, including at least one contributor to this thread, so that his role was that of a broker. Maybe I've gained a false impression but, to quote the well-known hum, "Just tell me, somebody, what did he do?"

 

Hammer. Nail. Head. 

[njee20]

10 hours ago, Roy Langridge said:

I have received a message from the Liquidators that seems to suggest that if you don't get a refund from either PayPal or your credit card, you won't be getting one from them.

 

 

Bye-bye deposit - which if I am honest, is exactly what I was expecting.

Roy

This seems quite pivotal. There are no assets of any value and no money in the company. Ergo no distribution for the creditors. 

[tomparryharry]

1 hour ago, Phil Parker said:

Great. I wake up, check my phone and find Andy Y has beaten me to cleaning up people rambling about production moving to China. Guess what, we know it moved to China, 20 YEARS AGO. What's that got to do with DJM? Nothing.

 

While I'm ranting, discussion about how many pages this thread will make or telling everyone YOU have decided that it's gone on long enough are as "exciting " as the interminable MRJ  comments telling us which branch of Smiths haven't got the latest issue in yet.

 

I suspect the discussion has largely run out of steam until or unless I can persuade the liquidators to give me a statement. I'll try again for this later today. 

 

With due respect, Mr Parker, you do have have some power to shutting the door, and turning the key. Most people have left you to exercise your judgement on this matter.

 

Well done with coping with many disparate comments from Walter Mittey's, international finance magnates, the FBI, captains of industry, the CIA, Disneyland, McDonalds, and my local Chinese takeaway. The old lady who does the fruit & veg at Tesco was unable to comment.

 

Ian

 

 

 

Edited June 12, 2019 by tomparryharry
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[truffy]

1 hour ago, DavidH said:

What happened to the other moderators?

 

1 hour ago, Phil Parker said:

Andy Y has beaten me to cleaning up people rambling about production moving to China.

 

There was a clue there!

[truffy]

10 hours ago, Phil Parker said:

Can we stop playing detective for the moment. If you are wrong, there are potential legal implications to mistaken identity if you publish them in public like this. 

It's quite clear, to anyone seeing the photos, that there are (at least) two Dave Jones in Liverpool, one a modeller and the other a photographer. Neither 'Dave' nor 'Jones' are uncommon names, after all.

 

ISTR a post here a while back questioning/observing Dave Jones posting on a photography forum while he was supposedly fact-finding in China. The answer would appear to be that it wasn't DJ of DJM.

[Markwj]

JDave Jones (of djm) is a keen photographer and does have an online portfolio of pictures on line I have seen some of them but just to save confusion we could just blame all of the dave jones in the world in fact I am about to put dave Jones into Facebook and glare at all the pictures which come up.

[Ouroborus]

I find it amusing to see people getting wound up  by all ifs and buts and wild speculation about this.  I appreciate some have lost money, some will have lost three figure amounts.  I've yet to read of anyone losing more than this.

 

Keep in mind that its a toy train.

 

Right now, across the UK, people will be preparing to go to the hospitals and clinics such as the one i work in to be told the most devastating news possible.  All the plans that they had for the future are about to come crashing in.

 

So lets keep things in perspective

[chris p bacon]

7 minutes ago, Ouroborus said:

Keep in mind that its a toy train.

 

It might be that to you, but for others it's more than that. 

 

8 minutes ago, Ouroborus said:

Right now, across the UK, people will be preparing to go to the hospitals and clinics such as the one i work in to be told the most devastating news possible.  All the plans that they had for the future are about to come crashing in.

 

You don't say, I'd never had guessed that happens every day of the year.

 

 

[Oldddudders]

12 minutes ago, chris p bacon said:

You don't say, I'd never had guessed that happens every day of the year.

As does people losing money after commercial ventures go belly up.

[Phil Parker]

2 hours ago, DavidH said:

 

Crazy man!  Why would you want to check your phone this early anyway? Do you get paid overtime for that?

 

What happened to the other moderators?

 

1) Because I know how you lot can run out of control when left to play alone for a while.

2) No chance of that.

3) Carrying Andy Y in his golden sedan chair around northern France. You don't think he does anything as menial as driving do you? 

[Edwardian]

29 minutes ago, Ouroborus said:

I find it amusing to see people getting wound up 

 

That could have been more happily phrased in the circumstances.

 

11 hours ago, Compound2632 said:

I'm building up the picture that, on the various projects in which D Jones has been involved, the technical work - from drawing up the CAD to making the tooling, as well as production, was done by the Chinese Factory (or Factories), whilst the prototype research (or at least contributions towards it) was done by various others, including at least one contributor to this thread, so that his role was that of a broker. Maybe I've gained a false impression but, to quote the well-known hum, "Just tell me, somebody, what did he do?"

 

Sorry, chaps, thought I had done with the topic, but Compound's post just put me in mind of the Mitchell & Webb Old Lady Job Justification Hearings sketches, e.g. Wedding Planner.

 

Old Lady 1: So what do you do, dear?

 

Interviewee: I manufacture model railway equipment

 

Old lady 2: And what does manufacture involve, dear?

 

Interviewee: Well, someone has to research the prototype, scan or measure a surviving example, obtain works drawings and understand its history.

 

Old lady 1: And is it you who does that, dear?

 

Interviewee: Err, no.

 

Old lady 2: And what happens next?

 

Interviewee: Well, someone has to produce a design for the model on the computer.  This is a very skilled and involved process.

 

Old lady 1: And is it you who does that, dear?

 

Interviewee: Err, no.

 

[you can see where this is all going, so I'll skip to the end]

 

Old lady 1: So you really don't do anything, do you. dear?

 

Interviewee: Err, no.

 

Old lady 2: Except make the projects late?

 

Interviewee: Err ....

 

Old lady 1:  Wouldn't you be better opening a nice little shop somewhere, selling things that actually exist?

   

[KDG]

55 minutes ago, Bucoops said:

I think there's a Davey Jones too but he specialises in lockers. Not sure if he is also Liverpool based?

He was a bit of a monkey

[chris p bacon]

1 hour ago, Bucoops said:

I think there's a Davey Jones too but he specialises in lockers.

 

I remember a Casey Jones.

 

It was on the concourse at Kings Cross, it promised tasty burgers but never delivered them, so there must be a link there somewhere. 

[Trains4U]

20 minutes ago, chris p bacon said:

 

I remember a Casey Jones.

 

It was on the concourse at Kings Cross, it promised tasty burgers but never delivered them, so there must be a link there somewhere. 

 

And the staff always looked bemused if I asked for a Rail Riders sticker

[Oldddudders]

44 minutes ago, chris p bacon said:

 

I remember a Casey Jones.

 

It was on the concourse at Kings Cross, it promised tasty burgers but never delivered them, so there must be a link there somewhere. 

The first one was at Waterloo. Some time after it opened, the long outlet vent above the chain broiler caught fire, being coated in fat. The station management, fire brigade etc were not impressed.

 

After Travellers Fare was privatised, they opened a CJ at Heathrow, and guess what happened.......