DutyDruid Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 4 minutes ago, Hroth said: Only a few years go, I thought that lashing out a hundred quid on a model locomotive was impossibly insane. Nowadays? Hey! Slightly OT, but I just splashed out for my first £100+ fill of diesel. This time last year I thought that was impossibly insane too... 2 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted January 4, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 4, 2022 2 minutes ago, DutyDruid said: Hey! Slightly OT, but I just splashed out for my first £100+ fill of diesel. This time last year I thought that was impossibly insane too... I think we may soon need an "ouch" button on here! 3 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dibber25 Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 2 minutes ago, Standards_in_OO said: This must be why the Blue and early BR Flying Scotsman have appeared in recent years otherwise surely they would just release it in post 1963 condition or how it is in the present day. I hadn’t really thought about the licensing aspect before besides Harry Potter and Thomas etc but I imagine provides a big stumbling block from producing more models of other locos in preservation. It is common practice, these days, for organisations to claim the intellectual rights to items they have acquired and then to licence others who wish to make money off the back of that item. Flying Scotsman is one of the most high profile items - certainly the most high profile in the hands of the NRM. Where current rail equipment is concerned there may be multiple licences involved, for instance, say, with a locomotive made by GM carrying a livery which also requires copyright permission. Such payments can impact on the selling price of the finished model. (CJL) 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottrains29 Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 3 hours ago, Widnes Model Centre said: I’m not sure what R7304 actually is. The trade price indicates that £21.99 is a correct price. Certainly available to preorder from various retailers for around £5-£8. Is that the biggest price reduction for a yet to be released item? It's been on the Hornby website all year until just a few days ago at £4.99. Surely they knew the trade price? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
APOLLO Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 I remember just a few years ago buying two loco driven Railroad Hornby 9F's for around £50 each from Hattons. They still run OK though one has "sticky" wheels on it's mazak framed tender chassis, on my to do list for fettlement. My first Hornby 9F was bought in a model shop behind Princess St in Edinburgh in the early 70's. She still runs superbly, can't remember the cost though, under a tenner. https://uk.Hornby.com/products/br-9f-class-2-10-0-92220-evening-star-era-5-r3988 £252.99 -- An absolute bargain IF the tender wheels run free, easy & true !!!!!!!!!!!! Brit15 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DutyDruid Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 4 minutes ago, Dunsignalling said: I think we may soon need an "ouch" button on here! Just to prove it... And yes, if @AY Mod can fix it an "ouch" button and a "groan" button would be really useful 1 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted January 4, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 4, 2022 Just now, DutyDruid said: Just to prove it... And yes, if @AY Mod can fix it an "ouch" button and a "groan" button would be really useful The price of my fill ups in pounds and pence is usually close to that litre read-out! There was me thinking it would be nice to have a slightly bigger tank.... John 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold MikeParkin65 Posted January 4, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 4, 2022 8 minutes ago, dibber25 said: It is common practice, these days, for organisations to claim the intellectual rights to items they have acquired and then to licence others who wish to make money off the back of that item. Flying Scotsman is one of the most high profile items - certainly the most high profile in the hands of the NRM. Where current rail equipment is concerned there may be multiple licences involved, for instance, say, with a locomotive made by GM carrying a livery which also requires copyright permission. Such payments can impact on the selling price of the finished model. (CJL) Ironic isn’t it. I wonder how much of 4472’s modern day profile eminates from the 1960s, 70’s and 80s products of Trix, Triang and Hornby? 2 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted January 4, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 4, 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, APOLLO said: I remember just a few years ago buying two loco driven Railroad Hornby 9F's for around £50 each from Hattons. They still run OK though one has "sticky" wheels on it's mazak framed tender chassis, on my to do list for fettlement. My first Hornby 9F was bought in a model shop behind Princess St in Edinburgh in the early 70's. She still runs superbly, can't remember the cost though, under a tenner. https://uk.Hornby.com/products/br-9f-class-2-10-0-92220-evening-star-era-5-r3988 £252.99 -- An absolute bargain IF the tender wheels run free, easy & true !!!!!!!!!!!! Brit15 I've had Evening Star and two other Bachmann 9Fs since they were the latest RTR wonderloco. I think all three cost less than the RRP of a new Hornby one between them... John Edited January 4, 2022 by Dunsignalling 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomScrut Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 17 minutes ago, DutyDruid said: Just to prove it... And yes, if @AY Mod can fix it an "ouch" button and a "groan" button would be really useful Well, you're filling up with diesel ultimate.... or at least I hope you are. But yes, only the best for my car too! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomScrut Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Dunsignalling said: I've had Evening Star and two other Bachmann 9Fs since they were the latest RTR wonderloco. I think all three cost less than the RRP of a new Hornby one between them... John It's certainly making me think about Leicester City/Central Star from the Bachmann Collector's club if it's going to be £250+ for a Hornby one. I flirted with the Locomotion Evening Star but then when Hornby announced theirs thought it would be a good one to get, but 2007 ultimately got my preserved steam pre order. Whilst I am definitely one to complain about prices, in the case of 2007 I am just glad it is going to exist in real life and that someone is making what should be a good model of it. It's more a thing of love whereas my Azumas will be figuratively (and literally) white goods on the layout (but essential in my eyes nonetheless). Edited January 4, 2022 by TomScrut 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DutyDruid Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 1 minute ago, TomScrut said: Well, you're filling up with diesel ultimate.... or at least I hope you are. Volvo XC60. I do a lot of towing for a summer job and I reckon I get a good 10% better mpg with Ultimate, plus the burn is a lot hotter so I don't get any DPF problems. At one point the boss would only allow me to fill up with his fuel card at a supermarket (no high grade diesel) and got very annoyed when I screwed his budgeting because my actual expenses for known jobs went up rather than down. Dragging it back on topic, I know of one club who ask for fuel receipts for their exhibition and if offered a receipt for high grade fuel refuse to pay it. Their treasurer got really upset with me when I said if they wanted to do it that way I would run my tank to nearly empty and then fill up with cheap fuel and that the expenses bill would go up by x-amount. Fortunately the EMS read out in the XC is good enough to allow me to provide reliable data to back the claim up. 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PMP Posted January 4, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 4, 2022 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Dunsignalling said: I've had Evening Star and two other Bachmann 9Fs since they were the latest RTR wonderloco. I think all three cost less than the RRP of a new Hornby one between them... John Very likely, however that would have been at least sixteen years ago, 2006 being the first IIRC Bachmann ES. That tooling version is what now costs £200+ from Bachmann today. Having said that I’m not knocking it, the Bachmann 9F is an excellent, well engineered and reliable model, but it is an early noughties model you’re buying today. If Hornby’s new 2022 tooling is sub £300 for a vanilla DCC ready version, and is to the fidelity of things like their K1/Clan/Britannia’s, it’ll be reasonable value for today’s market. Edited January 4, 2022 by PMP 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomScrut Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 (edited) 11 minutes ago, DutyDruid said: I reckon I get a good 10% better mpg with Ultimate I have found it depends on the car, but of late it's mostly because it's recommended by the manufacturer for the (petrol) cars I have had. I wonder how a 37 would run on ultimate? Would it be mega thrash or cleaner than usual? Edited January 4, 2022 by TomScrut 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted January 4, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 4, 2022 1 hour ago, AY Mod said: As soon as the name (which is a trademark) is used, irrespective of age or variation, a percentage will be payable if a licence is granted. And on more tat than you can shake a stick at... Does that mean that everytime someone on here mentions F..... S....... you have to hand over some of your beer money? 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted January 4, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 4, 2022 1 hour ago, MikeParkin65 said: Ironic isn’t it. I wonder how much of 4472’s modern day profile eminates from the 1960s, 70’s and 80s products of Trix, Triang and Hornby? And the much filmed exploits of Alan Pegler, which were frequently on TV. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdvle Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 2 hours ago, Steamport Southport said: You're looking at full RRP though. Yep, because the poster I was replying to was moaning about the Hornby RRP on their 9F (R3988) being £253. Only fair to compare current RRP to current RRP given current price changes. 2 hours ago, Steamport Southport said: You can get a new Bachmann 9F for less than £150 if you know where to look. Probably - but the price I gave from the Bachmann website of £205 has an availability listed as March/April, which presumably means that price is the new price that reflects the economic changes of the last 6 to 12 months, as does the increased Hornby price. Or, to put it another way, if one wants a Bachmann 9F one may want to consider buying soon from the existing stock in retail channels rather than waiting for the new more expensive stock to arrive. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheltenham Model Centre Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 10 hours ago, Hroth said: Not even a heavily pixellated one? Cheltenham Model Centre has a fairly pixellated one on their website, it looks like a... They may have made it up, just to tease people! I've pixellated it some more* Its advertised at 11 quid btw. * I think at this point it could be anything, going in the wrong direction and the principle of propulsion may be moot too! At last Somebody found it! It took many seconds in photoshop hours of negotiation with Hornby to get an exclusive first image…. 1 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
atom3624 Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 2 hours ago, Hroth said: Only a few years go, I thought that lashing out a hundred quid on a model locomotive was impossibly insane. Nowadays? Well I'm buying far less! I used to think paying a few hundred notes was getting into 'O Gauge' !! How things change ... Al. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 34 minutes ago, Cheltenham Model Centre said: At last Somebody found it! It took many seconds in photoshop hours of negotiation with Hornby to get an exclusive first image…. I found it the other day, but didn't want to get anyone into trouble if it was real. We all know what they can be like with their "tier system".... But I do reckon a Saint must be on the horizon from somewhere. It's one of the last of the big named classes available, long lived and Hornby did have one in their catalogue at one point (even though it was pants!). Jason 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted January 5, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 5, 2022 1 hour ago, Steamport Southport said: But I do reckon a Saint must be on the horizon from somewhere. It's one of the last of the big named classes available, long lived and Hornby did have one in their catalogue at one point I have to agree. Especially with 2999 completed now. It has to be the perfect time. It’s clear Hornby are going to new heights with detail, given that they are tooling up 3 variations of the new P2, so here’s hoping that a new Saint release could also reflect any difference between 2999 and the rest. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Moxy Posted January 5, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 5, 2022 17 hours ago, RJS1977 said: Now that Hornby have relinquished the rights to the Thomas range, I don't think there would be anything to stop Bachmann selling the Skarloey locos in TR guise. Except the agreement with the current licence holder that expressly forbids Bachmann from using the TTTE tooling for any non TTTE models. This argument about TR versions was made several times when they first came out but however much us 009 modellers would like that, the reality is it is not going to happen. Back to Hornby. I have no idea what is coming in 5 days time, but I hope it's a successful year for them. 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hroth Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 10 hours ago, APOLLO said: I remember just a few years ago buying two loco driven Railroad Hornby 9F's for around £50 each from Hattons. They still run OK though one has "sticky" wheels on it's mazak framed tender chassis, on my to do list for fettlement. My first Hornby 9F was bought in a model shop behind Princess St in Edinburgh in the early 70's. She still runs superbly, can't remember the cost though, under a tenner. https://uk.Hornby.com/products/br-9f-class-2-10-0-92220-evening-star-era-5-r3988 £252.99 -- An absolute bargain IF the tender wheels run free, easy & true !!!!!!!!!!!! Brit15 I'm betting that sticky-wheels is an R2880? I've got one of those, the mazak ex-tender drive chassis has swollen to the extent that it won't come out of the tender body and it's a race between the plastic cracking and the mazak turning to dust. The loco itself is a good runner and tows the "locked brakes" tender around like a champ! Of course, it's on the to-do list.... The only thing is that it won't be replaced by a new one at current prices! 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold MikeParkin65 Posted January 5, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 5, 2022 21 minutes ago, Hroth said: I'm betting that sticky-wheels is an R2880? I've got one of those, the mazak ex-tender drive chassis has swollen to the extent that it won't come out of the tender body and it's a race between the plastic cracking and the mazak turning to dust. The loco itself is a good runner and tows the "locked brakes" tender around like a champ! Of course, it's on the to-do list.... The only thing is that it won't be replaced by a new one at current prices! Yes - I've got a locked solid tender on R2880. Got a Bachmann replacement tender from Warley a few years ago for £10, just waiting for a respray as its black lined and weathered . On the 'to do' list along with detailing the loco 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted January 5, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 5, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Hroth said: I'm betting that sticky-wheels is an R2880? I've got one of those, the mazak ex-tender drive chassis has swollen to the extent that it won't come out of the tender body and it's a race between the plastic cracking and the mazak turning to dust. The loco itself is a good runner and tows the "locked brakes" tender around like a champ! Of course, it's on the to-do list.... The only thing is that it won't be replaced by a new one at current prices! Get the casting for/from the unpowered bogie of a Class 37 (Tri-ang type, not ex-Lima) before your tender splits. Goes straight in where the deactivated ringfield block comes out. If you get there in time.... John Edited January 5, 2022 by Dunsignalling 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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