Bob Reid Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 That has got to be a first - a uniquely Scottish class! Well done Dave. (It wouldn't put me off buying one or three however await the naysayers downing of the model of a model concept)..... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScRSG Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 Now that Dapol appear to have announced that only Class 29's will be produced in the foreseeable future, I have some questions :- Other than the headcode boxes, what are the visible differences between a Class 21 and a Class 29, difficult for amere novice like me to tell from photos. Basically can you do a 21 from a 29? Anyone care to enlighten me, or point me to available research? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sulzer27jd Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 Very welcome update Dave - I'm looking forward to them J Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 Anyone care to enlighten me, or point me to available research (for a conversion from class 29 to class 21). Take the front end detail off, apply parts to represent the communicating doors, discs and lights, and those intersting oval gubbins that decorated the front, paint overall green, get yourself an N2, L1 or B1 to tow it back to Hornsey for yet more repair and you are 90% there. In my opinion, others mileage may vary... Looks like my much modified Hornby body on a Bach class 25 chassis is going to be running a little longer. Perhaps I ought to think about giving it spoked wheels as a further nudge toward accuracy. A new model that depicts the very narrow cab corner glazing posts and substantially bevelled lower bodyside form will be very welcome though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andytrains Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 I had better carry on converting my Hornby 21/29 hybrid to a class 21 then if they are not coming out for some while. (Hornby body, much altered, Bachmann class 24/25 chassis, converted to EM with spoked wheels, Hornby bogie sides grafted onto the Bachmann bogie and the central tanks taken off the class 24/25 chassis and new appropriate ones fitted). When Dapol release the class 21 will some versions have the token recess at side of the cabs? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaddeus Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 I am building a model of Lowestoft in the early sixties, can anyone confirm that Class 21s drifted up from ipswich to Lowestoft or Gt Yarmouth. Thanks, I really want an excuse to buy one of these Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCromptonParkinson Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 Any news on the 29 CAD/CAMs? Only asking as I've pre-ordered 2 and I wanna wet the old appetite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian D Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 (edited) I am building a model of Lowestoft in the early sixties, can anyone confirm that Class 21s drifted up from ipswich to Lowestoft or Gt Yarmouth. Thanks, I really want an excuse to buy one of these Sorry to take so long responding - only just noticed your query. My Jim Grindlay diesel allocation book shows D6120 to D6137 all being allocated new initially, in 1959, to shed code 32B, Ipswich. A sizeable fleet so perhaps they were used on the Suffolk coast route. By 1963 they were all reallocated according to JG to 65A, Eastfield. Regards, Brian. Edited January 21, 2013 by Brian D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
essexexpress Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 Theres a couple of photos of D61XX's from East Suffolk, one is on the Framlingham branch and the other is shunting at Saxmundham, can't remember what books they are in though! I'm certain they would have got to Lowestoft, the above would give a good enough reason. Mike Sorry to take so long responding - only just noticed your query. My Jim Grindlay deisel allocation book shows D6120 to D6137 all being allocated new initially, in 1959, to shed code 32B, Ipswich. A sizeable fleet so perhaps they were used on the Suffolk coast route. By 1963 they were all reaallocated according to JG to 65A, Eastfield. Regards, Brian. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spackz Posted January 14, 2013 Author Share Posted January 14, 2013 Dave, Have you had any joy in finding the relevant information/drawings for the 21/29 in order to proceed further? Having done some research alot of the drawings seem to be located in a university and museum in Glasgow, although I highly suspect you've tried this avenue. I haven't the knowledge to help further but in modern locomotives illustrated they have OO scale drawings of both class 21 and 29. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Max Stafford Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 The Mitchell Library in Glasgow may well be a good source as I understand they are the keeper of the NBL archive. Dave. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the penguin of doom Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 The Mitchell Library in Glasgow may well be a good source as I understand they are the keeper of the NBL archive. Dave. Hi Dave. Would this be the place to enquire about a drawing of the 29 do you know? I'm thinking about, (in the distant future), of maybe scratchbuilding one in O gauge for our new Scottish based club layout, unless anyone knows of an O gauge RTR one in the pipeline?..... Cheers. Sean. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Max Stafford Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 I can't see that it would be a bad idea Sean. Probably not labelled as class 29, but I'm sure a list of NBL diesel related info in the collection would yield something of use. There's no harm in asking! Dave. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the penguin of doom Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Thanks Dave. Plenty to be going on at at the moment, but once I get nearer the time to start a build, I'll make this my first port of call..... Cheers. Sean. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spackz Posted January 19, 2013 Author Share Posted January 19, 2013 (edited) Max Stafford: The Mitchell Library in Glasgow may well be a good source as I understand they are the keeper of the NBL archive. Dave. Dave, he is probably already aware of this but have you passed this information on to Dapol Dave, I cant see he would have overlooked this though, but every little snippet may help avoid further delays. Edited January 19, 2013 by spackz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Reid Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 Any update Dapol Dave? It's coming on a year (well 11 months) since the CAD's were imminent - enquiring minds need to know (please)! Now that the dull and uninteresting large western region loco's out the way Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DapolDave Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 The 21/29 has been widely advertised as being put back further due to lack of workd plans to follow (we'd rather wait and get it right than not and muck it up), so a couple of months ago we made the decision to hold back further and bring another model scheduled for later, forward (class 121 + 122). Cheers Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Reid Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 Thanks Dave. I was just surprised that the CAD's were imminent back last March then it all went quiet and that apart from the update to the spec. in July I'd seen nothing on here (apart form here I only take one Mag - Model Rail - and hadn't noticed any update)! Was there any attempt made to seek the drawings out from the Mitchell Library and/or from Glasgow University who acquired much of the records and drawings that Hunslet Barclay inherited themselves from the NBL? On a similar vein the NRM I'd imagine must be in possesion of at least some of the drawings / aperture cards with the relevant modifications made after the NBL went bust. Many thanks 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy C Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 (edited) So - and I may be reading between the lines here - in actual fact no work has been done on the 21/29 including even attempting to access and research the records in Glasgow and the NRM? I suspect I will be on a very long wait for my 29 then. Edited February 23, 2013 by Andy Y Post locked 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Max Stafford Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 Max Stafford: The Mitchell Library in Glasgow may well be a good source as I understand they are the keeper of the NBL archive. Dave. Dave, he is probably already aware of this but have you passed this information on to Dapol Dave, I cant see he would have overlooked this though, but every little snippet may help avoid further delays. I have Dave. I mentioned it to him on the Wizzo thread along with Paxman and the BR archive (NRM?). Dave. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DapolDave Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 Hi Andy, Your reading is incorrect. The NRM have been contacted and are searching for us, and we have tried the Mitchell library a few times but with little joy. As for the basic work, this started some time ago and ran, for a while, concurrently with the 22 project. At the moment the 21/29 model development is on hold until more details come to light. Cheers Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Reid Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 (edited) So - and I may be reading between the lines here - in actual fact no work has been done on the 21/29 including even attempting to access and research the records in Glasgow and the NRM? I suspect I will be on a very long wait for my 29 then. Failing that maybe Heljan will have a space after there own NBL project Dave - your first point of contact surely has to be through the University of Glasgow Archives service - see http://www.gla.ac.uk/media/media_67063_en.pdf rather than the Mitchell Library in the first instance. Details are not likely to come to light without a bit of further pro-active research.... Edited February 17, 2013 by Bob-65b Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DapolDave Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 University archive department were contacted personally by me, but I got a negative reply. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Max Stafford Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 Hornby must have got their info from somewhere. Even if they sub-contracted the detail design to Stevie Wonder... Dave. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Reid Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 Depends of course what you asked for Dave - the NBL records and plans are held by them but I've no doubt it would require (as it is in general with the likes of the NRM) a fair bit of work actually going through the archive on the ground for I doubt most archivist's will know one 1000hp diesel-electric from another! Perhaps one day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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