Strathyre Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 can I ask Paul (or Dave when he gets the plans) to share a quick snap of the plans, not a copy just a shot from distance as I think it would be interesting to see them.Hi Michael, sorry - sent them south yesterday, should've arrived today. Paul 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BR(S) Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 Hi Michael, sorry - sent them south yesterday, should've arrived today. Paul Just to increase the tension, Paul sent them second class and the envelope wasn't quite sealed properly 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andytrains Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Hopefully the class 21 is not pulling the mail train otherwise it will never get there. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 I reckon Dapol should do unpowered ones, as 50% of the time each loco was dead. But what you are missing there is the 50% of the time it was working. A motorised model can be made to represent both types, especially with a control system like DCC; and what's more can fail while on the job, requiring another loco to be sent out to rescue it. Extra movements = more operational fun, even if it was complete Horlicks for the railway staff and passengers at the time... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the-gog Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 But what you are missing there is the 50% of the time it was working. A motorised model can be made to represent both types, especially with a control system like DCC; and what's more can fail while on the job, requiring another loco to be sent out to rescue it. Extra movements = more operational fun, even if it was complete Horlicks for the railway staff and passengers at the time... Oh yes indeed, which is why I'm an advocate of the Dyna Drive system when coupled to a pinion drive train. You can realistically "fail" a loco then send another to drag the now-unpowered one. It's a pity it never took off. RWJ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Way cheaper to imitate failure electronically with the wide acceptance of DCC: much though I like the idea of a drive which disengages mechanically and not only allows freewheeling on the flywheel inertia, but is also reversible thanks to elimination of the worm gear from the drive line, so that it will roll when dragged. Dapol can take a crack at this when every BR class has a RTR model, and a new USP or two might be required... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Max Stafford Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 Dave. This gentleman might also be worth contacting. He appears to have gathered sufficient data to generate this epic piece of work! http://www.westernthunder.co.uk/index.php?threads/nbl-type-2-class-29-built-by-fred-phipps-in-gauge-1-1-32nd.597/ Dave. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Max Stafford Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 Not only that but if you do the 29, you could produce extra Flettner roof vents and sell little bags of them to vehicle modellers! Dave. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spackz Posted March 16, 2013 Author Share Posted March 16, 2013 Dave How are you getting on with the drawings, does it look like an accurate 21 can be produced from them? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spackz Posted March 16, 2013 Author Share Posted March 16, 2013 Nice one cheers for the update Dave, good to see the project can now advance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 I'm sure I mentioned it earlier, but the major parts of the cabs were aluminium castings, so identical on all three builds. It was what was between, beyond and under them that was different! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Phil Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 I'm sure I mentioned it earlier, but the major parts of the cabs were aluminium castings, so identical on all three builds. It was what was between, beyond and under them that was different! If that is the case Bernard then the tricky bit has already been done. Ie the "face" of the loco. I recall the group who were thinking of building a 1:1 scale version, were planning to use a pair of class 309 "Clacton" bogie frames as the basis of the running gear. Perhaps Dapol might already be in contact with this group ? Whatever, i think Dapol have got the Scottish transition modelling fraternity very close to the holy grail. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strathyre Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 Dave, check your PMs Cheers Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peteskitchen Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 (edited) If that is the case Bernard then the tricky bit has already been done. Ie the "face" of the loco. I recall the group who were thinking of building a 1:1 scale version, were planning to use a pair of class 309 "Clacton" bogie frames as the basis of the running gear. Perhaps Dapol might already be in contact with this group ? Whatever, i think Dapol have got the Scottish transition modelling fraternity very close to the holy grail. The chap who was behind the project was Ken Joy. I think he even found an original ex class 21 engine. The project folded due to lack of interest and money which is a shame. Edited April 10, 2013 by peteskitchen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DapolDave Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 Hi chaps, A very interesting development this last week with the 21/29 project. I've been given a list of almost 100 NBL plans and designs of Diesel loco's that the Mitchell have found, which are un-catalogued. I have ordered copies of all but a few of these (a few catalogued ones involving boiler supports and seat design and revised seat design :-)), and once I have them all I'll be able to let you know, but it does look very hopeful. I have side on cutaway drawings, bogie drawings and cab window and cab front drawings now, so there are bound to be some that I can use in that lot. Fingers crossed I can get it cracked over the following few weeks and update you then. Cheers Dave 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iak Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 Now this is good news. More power to your drafting 3D thingie sir... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arrachogaidh Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 Potentially available in N gauge at some not too distant stage I hope...... :whistle: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davknigh Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 Given the transition of Dapol Dave to Just Plain Dave (no offense Dave) who is the point man for Dapol on this file now? Cheers, David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
26power Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 http://www.flickr.com/photos/96859208@N07/9644187793/ and http://www.flickr.com/photos/96859208@N07/9647424898/ Disposal of 29s. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScRSG Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 Regarding Dapol's recent statements etc. would anyone from them care to update us on the situation regarding the Class 21/29? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScRSG Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 Regarding Dapol's recent statements etc. would anyone from them care to update us on the situation regarding the Class 21/29? Anyone? Anybody? Just trying to keep the thread and the subject alive! Any comments ex-Dapol Dave? (any possibility DJM might take this one on? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 7013 Posted December 9, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 9, 2013 Dapol do appear to be becalmed since Dave jumped ship, with many models being relocated to other manufacturers it would appear that Dapol are loosing out on some of the OO models. However it does appear that the early Warship for Kernow is making progress so there is hope for the CL 21/29 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spackz Posted December 9, 2013 Author Share Posted December 9, 2013 I didnt want to steal his thunder but I spoke DJM Dave a couple of months back, he will not be taking on the project at present. Dapol still have the drawings that he acquired but no work was started on them by the time he had left. My personal opinion is that Dapol just bite the bullet and cancel these allowing Heljan or DJM take it on as I just cant see them progressing with it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davknigh Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 There's only one thing for it, everyone who has an old Hornby 21/29 start upgrading or converting it and someone will be bound to take on the project just as the last of us finishes. Cheers, David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 40-something Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 There's only one thing for it, everyone who has an old Hornby 21/29 start upgrading or converting it and someone will be bound to take on the project just as the last of us finishes. Cheers, David What we need is someone to design and sell all the etched bits for the grilles, end and roof details to convert the Hornby Model to a 21 or upgrade to a 29. Stick a Bachmann 24/25 chassis block under it and its a most enjoyable project Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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