DerekEm8 Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 An excellent choice for us North of England modellers with plenty of future variations if succesfully supported (ie bought in sufficient numbers) Plus they were used in other areas during LMS/BR days. Round top and belpaire fireboxes Long and short bunkers with both fireboxes Saturated and superheated boilers. Standard and extended smokeboxes. Different chimney positions on the smokebox due to the above boiler variations. Different running plate valances. Some push-pull fitted. Perhaps the number of variations on the same basic chassis/ body is the reason for its choice by Bachmann Sorry LRM and Jol And yes I do have a few etched brass ones in various stages of construction. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
45568 Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 For those of us who model outside the L&Y area, the 1958 Observers Book of Steam Locomotives has this cryptic comment from Mr. H.C.Casserley in the class notes. "50646 has recently come south to Bedford". Wweeeelllllll, it had to get there somehow! Cheers, Peter C. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stanley Melrose Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 As I mentioned yesterday, they had prominent round-head rivets on the rear bunker delineating the coal/water spaces which are not on the London Road etchings so I hope Bachmann ensure they are represented on the model versions. See attached photos . . . Stan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisf Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Sharp Stewart built some 2-4-2Ts fo rthe Barry Railway circa 1900. There is more than a passing resemblance to the prototype chosen by Bachmann, just in case anyone still does conversions! Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted March 14, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 14, 2012 Sharp Stewart built some 2-4-2Ts fo rthe Barry Railway circa 1900. There is more than a passing resemblance to the prototype chosen by Bachmann, just in case anyone still does conversions! Chris The Barry J Class aren't too far off but they did have an unequal wheelbase at 7ft 8ins + 8ft 6ins + 7ft 0ins and the wheels aren't too far out with 3ft 6ins carrying wheels and 5ft 7.5ins drivers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 perhaps one of the kit makers could produce etches for the extended bunkers and other bits when the model comes out? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlislecitadel Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Anyone know if any of these ever served at or worked to Carlisle or Maryport? I suspect not but there is a picture of one on the turntable at Garsdale. I was planning to build a kit of one at some stage and justify it as a unrecorded wartime working but if anyone has evidenc eof them being around teh border that would be great. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 can someone tell me the story of how 1008 became preserved? has it ever run in preservation? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 station pilot at Southport station.. Southport by Kerry Parker (KP), on Flickr 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 station pilot at Liverpool Exchange Liverpool Exchange by Kerry Parker (KP), on Flickr 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 Southport again.. Southport by Kerry Parker (KP), on Flickr 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poor Old Bruce Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 can someone tell me the story of how 1008 became preserved? has it ever run in preservation? Probably it's main claim to fame is that it was the first loco to be built at Horwich Works. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekEm8 Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 can someone tell me the story of how 1008 became preserved? has it ever run in preservation? Mike, Its part of the National Collection due to being the first loco built at Horwich (as stated by Bruce above). Don't think its ever been run in preservation. We were told some years ago that it has a wooden chimney -the original either being damaged or not the correct type for its preserved state . 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluebottle Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 (edited) From the NRM guide 1978: "[No. 1008] was withdrawn by British Railways in 1954 and after restoration was on exhibition at Tyseley [The Birmingham Railway Museum] before coming to York in 1976. It was repainted in 1977 and is substantially in its condition as first built" The same booklet remarks that "This was the first of 330 similar locomotives that were built over the period 1889-1911, and which were, by the end of that time, working more than half of that railway's (the LYR's) passenger mileage." These were pretty remarkable locos that deserve to be more widely known - which reminds me... I was at a show in deepest West Yorkshire a while back admiring a finescale LYR layout. The relief operator saw me craning my neck to see the fiddle yard, and asked me pleasantly if I was looking for anything in particular. "Well", I said, "I wondered if there was a radial tank?" He looked a little puzzled, and replied: "Er, no, but there's an LSWR layout over there, they might have one..." Edited March 14, 2012 by bluebottle 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 Andy Y's shots on page 1 have been changed to the Belpair firebox long bunker superheated version which I think is the better looking but not the one Bachmann are doing? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekEm8 Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 Andy Y's shots on page 1 have been changed to the Belpair firebox long bunker superheated version which I think is the better looking but not the one Bachmann are doing? Confusing ?? The numbers quoted are all round top,short bunker versions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Invicta Posted March 16, 2012 Share Posted March 16, 2012 (edited) I can see two possibilities for limited edition versions: 1. In L & Y livery as preserved at the NRM; I don't know about the Wirral version, but I'd be fairly surprised if there wasn't a NRM release of No 1008 at some point in the next couple of years- Looking back at the NRM releases, so far we've had a mixture of new exclusive tooling (Deltic, Truro, the Compound) and reliveries of existing product (the GCR-liveried ROD, the PO wagon sets and the Hornby Scotsman) An L&Y liveried version of the 2-4-2T would fit nicely into that- I'd certainly be tempted by one! http://www.nrm.org.u...CT_937214_2.png Edited March 18, 2012 by Andy Y One link removed after security issues found Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted March 16, 2012 Share Posted March 16, 2012 (edited) Andy's OP shots depict the later 2-4-2T's produced by Aspinall's successor. Note the shallow running plate valance and forward position of chimney of 10921 denoting is was a superheated loco. No doubt Bachmann will get around to the Belpaire etc variants in due course. Edited March 16, 2012 by coachmann Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted March 16, 2012 Share Posted March 16, 2012 (edited) another thing that was slightly putting me off kit building a 2-4-2 is that ive heard they can be quite tricky to get set up and running nicely. after seeing how well the NRM compound runs with no wobbling and such smooth running im really looking forward to this, i think theyll do a great job. Edited March 16, 2012 by michael delamar Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brossard Posted March 16, 2012 Share Posted March 16, 2012 another thing that was slightly putting me off kit building a 2-4-2 is that ive heard they can be quite tricky to get set up and running nicely. I am actually thinking abouit building the Cotswold kit but with a proper chassis. ie Gibson frames. It would be of interest to me to hear from those who have actually done this successfully and their approach. My thought is to make the leading wheels compensated with the leading drivers. Rear axle to be on a pony truck arrangement (it should, by rights I think, be a radial axial, as should the front). John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted March 16, 2012 Share Posted March 16, 2012 Been there and dunnit. My 2-4-2T chassis were in effect 2-6-0's. Side play on leading wheels, rigid driven axle, side play on rear driving axle, rigid rear carrying wheels. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brossard Posted March 16, 2012 Share Posted March 16, 2012 Thanks Coachman. So, no need to have the carrying wheels swivel then. That would simplify construction. I'm intending an end to end layout with largish points and no serious curves. Cheers John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
billbedford Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 You could actually just invest in a frames kit for this very loco, if you were into P4. I believe a number have been build and are still running....... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brossard Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 Thanks Bill, wish I'd known about this before, that looks brilliant! You mention P4 but can it be built to EM? I would go for it if it can. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
billbedford Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 This one can't be done in EM, but I can produce an EM one fi anyone wants one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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