roythebus Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 One questions why should a replica diesel loco be built at vast expense just to potter about preserved railways at 25mph? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xerces Fobe2 Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 One questions why should a replica diesel loco be built at vast expense just to potter about preserved railways at 25mph? Fair point or even stuffed, mounted and sitting in a museum in York! XF Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the penguin of doom Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 I'm not really up on climate etc, (other than it seems very wet in Britain over the last 5 years). That said, Mrs Penguin and I have been together for over 5 years now and we often visit Poland, (Mrs P hails from those parts). During my first visit in 2007, we passed the locomotive works in Szczecin and I saw a large amount of dumped locomotives, generally ET22's and SM42's. In 2012, the same loco's are still there and in exactly the same, (rather good), condition. Ok, it's only 5 years compared to the nearly 30 years for Kestrel, but perhaps a colder climate is better for metals survival..... Just a thought. Cheers. Sean. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xerces Fobe2 Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 I'm not really up on climate etc, (other than it seems very wet in Britain over the last 5 years). That said, Mrs Penguin and I have been together for over 5 years now and we often visit Poland, (Mrs P hails from those parts). During my first visit in 2007, we passed the locomotive works in Szczecin and I saw a large amount of dumped locomotives, generally ET22's and SM42's. In 2012, the same loco's are still there and in exactly the same, (rather good), condition. Ok, it's only 5 years compared to the nearly 30 years for Kestrel, but perhaps a colder climate is better for metals survival..... Just a thought. Cheers. Sean. Hope springs eternal XF Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 One questions why should a replica diesel loco be built at vast expense just to potter about preserved railways at 25mph? No reason - I know a man who'll do you a really nice deal on Main Line Acceptance Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 With the 4mm market saturated, Dapol & Bachmann hard at war in 2mm and Heljan and Dapol now at it in 7mm - if we wait 10 years for Bachmann to go through gauge 1 we should see Heljan launch a 1:1 scale in about 15 years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrushVeteran Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 With the 4mm market saturated, Dapol & Bachmann hard at war in 2mm and Heljan and Dapol now at it in 7mm - if we wait 10 years for Bachmann to go through gauge 1 we should see Heljan launch a 1:1 scale in about 15 years. If that's the prognosis then I hope that I will be not asked to check the CAD work! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanders Posted December 31, 2012 Share Posted December 31, 2012 With the 4mm market saturated, Dapol & Bachmann hard at war in 2mm and Heljan and Dapol now at it in 7mm - if we wait 10 years for Bachmann to go through gauge 1 we should see Heljan launch a 1:1 scale in about 15 years. Even if they did, I reckon we'd still have a bunch of people telling them that it "doesn't look quite right" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Triang Paul Posted January 1, 2013 Share Posted January 1, 2013 Why should'nt a replica diesel be allowed on the mainline.....?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southernman46 Posted January 1, 2013 Share Posted January 1, 2013 Why should'nt a replica diesel be allowed on the mainline.....?? Most preserved steam locos are almost replicas by now anyway.............. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
royaloak Posted January 1, 2013 Share Posted January 1, 2013 Why should'nt a replica diesel be allowed on the mainline.....?? It can be if you fit all the necessary safety systems and get all the certification in place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzyo Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 I know I run the risk of bringing up something that has been discussed to death (or scrap maybe the more appropriate term). However, I was just wondering if anyone knew how long the HS4000 had been outside in the 1985 photograph. By the looks of it I would have a very rough guess of about three or four years by the overgrowth (possibly more). Now the reason I ask is that there have been suggestions that the condition of the body would have deteriorated to the extent where it was essentially just rust. Having looked at the photograph, if it has been outside for a number of years I am surprised at how good the condition of the train actually was, there appears to be no major visible rust. Would I be right in assuming that this is a good thing or could there be rust concealed in the depths of the loco? So essentially what I am suggesting is that if (and it is a big IF) the loco did survive until the early noughties then it could have been in better condition than expected, despite the climate. I am pretty certain the loco does not exist any longer as I would be surprised that there are no images of it on the net (there are plenty of images online regarding Soviet technology such as the Ekranoplanes and Buran etc). One final quick question, does anyone know of any Russian Rail Forums that would be able to assist us with any further information or pictures? If your asking about the condition of the body of the loco in the link to the photo in Mess. No. 167? It could be that the body was made of aluminium and not steel. That would explain why it had not rusted. OzzyO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xerces Fobe2 Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Is there any truth the rumour that a a diesel locomotive resembling HS 4000 has been found on the Moon? XF Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted January 3, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 3, 2013 Is there any truth the rumour that a a diesel locomotive resembling HS 4000 has been found on the Moon? XF Yes, it was with the double deck bus. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jamie92208 Posted January 3, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 3, 2013 Yes, it was with the double deck bus. No it's not on the moon it's with the 200 9F's of the strategic reserve that are in the cave with King Arthur and his Knights waiting for the call.!! Jamie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted January 3, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 3, 2013 Why should'nt a replica diesel be allowed on the mainline.....?? As noted already - it can be IF. Trouble is the mountain of paperwork required is likely to weigh more than the loco and it's probably far simpler to do the paperwork for a steam engine (fewer materials involved for start). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Is there any truth the rumour that a a diesel locomotive resembling HS 4000 has been found on the Moon? I heard that was filmed in a studio at a secret location in the US. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Endacott Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Why does this thread remind me of the Hughes Mearns poem Antigonish? Geoff Endacott Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzyo Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 As noted already - it can be IF. Trouble is the mountain of paperwork required is likely to weigh more than the loco and it's probably far simpler to do the paperwork for a steam engine (fewer materials involved for start). and all the paperwork can be used to help to get it going as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve K Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 No it's not on the moon it's with the 200 9F's of the strategic reserve that are in the cave with King Arthur and his Knights waiting for the call.!! Jamie Is the last episode of Merlin still on i-Player? If so, some enterprising soul may be able to deduce Kestrel's final resting place. It'd be lovely for this thread to achieve something concrete (or steel, rather). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torn-on-the-platform Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 One questions why should a replica diesel loco be built at vast expense just to potter about preserved railways at 25mph? I find this topic very interesting, lost British exports that may or may not still exist (Terriers and L&B locomotives spring to mind), but the topic of Kestrel itself is far from my expertise. However, would a good half way house perhaps be to base this hypothetical re-creation at the GCR where it could run up to 45mph (maybe even 60mph)? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jamie92208 Posted January 4, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 4, 2013 Is the last episode of Merlin still on i-Player? If so, some enterprising soul may be able to deduce Kestrel's final resting place. It'd be lovely for this thread to achieve something concrete (or steel, rather). When I did Hadrians crawl from Newcastle Brown to Carlisle State Bitter, as a post A level project I was walking along the nine nicks, approaching Housesteads and the guide book told me that Arthur and his knight were reputed to be somewhere below me, however I didn't see any sign of a line that could have been used to move the 9F's and possibly Kestrel in. Jamie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 However, would a good half way house perhaps be to base this hypothetical re-creation at the GCR where it could run up to 45mph (maybe even 60mph)? A point which comes out of this is that when, as has been threatened, all the mechanical boxes have gone there will be no where which allows people to see how a busy main line really was - intensive operation, high line speeds, multiple signal boxes which short sections with a significant number of railwaymen working together in harmony. It's a real shame. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the penguin of doom Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Just had a thought. If a large number of Spitfires can lay buried in Burma since the war, one loco could languish in a shed for 30-odd years. Sorry to put fuel on the fire so to speak..... Cheers. Sean. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
APOLLO Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Just found this on Youtube - fantastic !! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqeGfWUrDcc Also this for Falcon fans http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpexIgmtVNk Brit15 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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