Chuffed 1 Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 Not sure about the 'Laura Ashley' curtains but otherwise a superb model. P1080332am by Robert Carroll, on Flickr P1080331am by Robert Carroll, on Flickr P1080329am by Robert Carroll, on Flickr Particularly like the lead balance weights on the corridor side. Don't need to worry about the curtains - I shall be blocking those windows to convert it to a Kitchen-Buffet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted July 28, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 28, 2018 . "Bolections" - a new word learnt. (Being ignorant, I would have just said "moulding", now I have a word to flummox my Architect nephew - their education nowadays just doesn't cover such things.) . A moulding is often a decorative treatment to cover each of the panel joins, which often gave further scope fr embellishment. A bolection is something vital, as it is a picture frame moulding fixed from the outside to hold the fixed window glass in position. I only learnt the word through RMweb. I think a chap was building an O Gauge coach. Larry takes my understanding a stage further, thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Tim Hall Posted July 28, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 28, 2018 http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/blog/2251/entry-21129-sr-restaurant-coaches-arrive/ I'm less bothered by the lack of lining on the olive one than the grey roof, makes the white ones look FAR too clean, so that's another job..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted July 28, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 28, 2018 http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/blog/2251/entry-21129-sr-restaurant-coaches-arrive/ I'm less bothered by the lack of lining on the olive one than the grey roof, makes the white ones look FAR too clean, so that's another job..... Except, Tim, that restaurant cars were inserted into steam stock sets as required, so the degree of greying on the roof could indeed be different from the rest of the set. I agree that white rooves are a trifle fanciful after more than half an hour of steam haulage, but the grey isn't actually out of place on this vehicle within a set. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted July 28, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 28, 2018 Particularly like the lead balance weights on the corridor side. Don't need to worry about the curtains - I shall be blocking those windows to convert it to a Kitchen-Buffet. Nice idea but do check the doors situation. Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Tim Hall Posted July 28, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 28, 2018 Except, Tim, that restaurant cars were inserted into steam stock sets as required, so the degree of greying on the roof could indeed be different from the rest of the set. I agree that white rooves are a trifle fanciful after more than half an hour of steam haulage, but the grey isn't actually out of place on this vehicle within a set. Yes, aware of that, it's just me being a bit OCD about it ; Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted July 28, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 28, 2018 Not seen a pic of one in with Bulleids yet. WOEML, up until about '61/2 I think it was, an example could be found on a couple of services IIRC? CBA to go and check so shoot me down in flames if I'm talking carp. P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Headstock Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 Not sure about the 'Laura Ashley' curtains but otherwise a superb model. P1080332am by Robert Carroll, on Flickr P1080331am by Robert Carroll, on Flickr P1080329am by Robert Carroll, on Flickr Good morning Robert, so, what train are you modeling there? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertcwp Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 Good morning Robert, so, what train are you modeling there? Unusually for me, nothing in particular. The RF and an open second are cut into the middle of 6-car set 273 which in 1959 was allocated to Waterloo-Southampton Terminus (Cowes service). 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted July 29, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 29, 2018 Not seen a pic of one in with Bulleids yet. WOEML, up until about '61/2 I think it was, an example could be found on a couple of services IIRC? CBA to go and check so shoot me down in flames if I'm talking carp. P The Hornby one, S7946S, was booked to the 12 Noon SO from Ilfracombe to Waterloo in the Summer of 1961 I understand. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Headstock Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 Unusually for me, nothing in particular. The RF and an open second are cut into the middle of 6-car set 273 which in 1959 was allocated to Waterloo-Southampton Terminus (Cowes service). I received one of these last week, the southern version, it seems a more common type than the BR version. I haven't decided what to do with it yet, probably some sort of remodeling or repaint. I seem to have misplaced the information on the carriage I was interested in, there is a strong possibility that the livery as supplied may be correct, which was part of its attraction. Fortunately, Hornby has listened to advice and ditched the opaque white windows that look a bit silly on their other Maunsel carriages, though it is easy to remove the white paint/ink with the right product. The curtains in the saloon of the Restaurant Car will certainly be removed in this manner. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted July 29, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 29, 2018 (edited) I received one of these last week, the southern version, it seems a more common type than the BR version. I haven't decided what to do with it yet, probably some sort of remodeling or repaint. I seem to have misplaced the information on the carriage I was interested in, there is a strong possibility that the livery as supplied may be correct, which was part of its attraction. Fortunately, Hornby has listened to advice and ditched the opaque white windows that look a bit silly on their other Maunsel carriages, though it is easy to remove the white paint/ink with the right product. The curtains in the saloon of the Restaurant Car will certainly be removed in this manner. It may seem the more common type, and might well have been so in certain areas, but it doesn't appear that it was overall. Going by the numbering details listed under the layout sketches in Gould, there were 26 RFs built to Diagram 2651 (including S7946S S7861S) and just nine to Diagram 2656 (including 7869). I'm presuming that Hornby are planning a similar future diagram / livery switch-around with these coaches as they have done with the cattle wagons? Incidentally, what is the "right product" for getting rid of the unwanted white stuff please? John Edited July 31, 2018 by Dunsignalling Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Headstock Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 (edited) It may seem the more common type, and might well have been so in certain areas, but it doesn't appear that it was overall. Going by the numbering details listed under the layout sketches in Gould, there were 26 RFs built to Diagram 2651 (including S7946S) and just nine to Diagram 2656 (including 7869). I'm presuming that Hornby are planning a similar future diagram / livery switch-around with these coaches as they have done with the cattle wagons? Incidentally, what is the "right product" for getting rid of the unwanted white stuff please? John I Afternoon John, I thought the BR version was S7861S? I have successfully removed the white toilet windows with this stuff, it will strip all the paint off a Hornby carriage if you so wish. It is very fast and very friendly to the environment and thus the user. Like any product I would advise testing first. http://www.biostrip.co.uk/paint-stripping.html Edited July 29, 2018 by Headstock Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RFS Posted July 29, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 29, 2018 I thought the BR version was S7861S? Indeed it is. It's Hatton's who are incorrectly describing it as S7946S. http://www.hattons.co.uk/337796/Hornby_R4817_Maunsell_kitchen_and_dining_car_S7946S_in_BR_green/StockDetail.aspx Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted July 29, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 29, 2018 Indeed it is. It's Hatton's who are incorrectly describing it as S7946S. http://www.hattons.co.uk/337796/Hornby_R4817_Maunsell_kitchen_and_dining_car_S7946S_in_BR_green/StockDetail.aspx Just as they are quoting the Olive Open 3rd as 1400, which is what we got last time. I think Hornby say it is 1375. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
olivegreen Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 (edited) I wonder if there is a commercial opportunity here for one of the well-known and respected transfer companies to produce a special-to-type sheet of lining for the SR version of the restaurant coach (among others)? I appreciate the lining would be very fine and therefore highly fragile, but not beyond the bounds of possibility, perhaps. Who knows? Edited July 30, 2018 by olivegreen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 I Afternoon John, I thought the BR version was S7861S? I have successfully removed the white toilet windows with this stuff, it will strip all the paint off a Hornby carriage if you so wish. It is very fast and very friendly to the environment and thus the user. Like any product I would advise testing first. http://www.biostrip.co.uk/paint-stripping.html Is 25 litre enough ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted July 30, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 30, 2018 I Afternoon John, I thought the BR version was S7861S? I have successfully removed the white toilet windows with this stuff, it will strip all the paint off a Hornby carriage if you so wish. It is very fast and very friendly to the environment and thus the user. Like any product I would advise testing first. http://www.biostrip.co.uk/paint-stripping.html Thanks for the correction and info re paint stripper. Should last a while... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 (edited) Indeed it is. It's Hatton's who are incorrectly describing it as S7946S. http://www.hattons.co.uk/337796/Hornby_R4817_Maunsell_kitchen_and_dining_car_S7946S_in_BR_green/StockDetail.aspx Maybe 7946 is the September one ............ ? ........................... ( My 7861 should be here any moment ! ............. spoke too soon without checking : it's supposedly already in the building - now how long before it reaches the ninth floor ? ) Edited July 30, 2018 by Wickham Green Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted July 30, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 30, 2018 My BR version arrived today..........splendid and makes my Kirk version look weird. 10/10 Hornby (and thanks Derails) P 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 Particularly like the lead balance weights on the corridor side. Don't need to worry about the curtains - I shall be blocking those windows to convert it to a Kitchen-Buffet. Don't block ALL the saloon windows - it's not a Tavern Car ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted July 30, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 30, 2018 Don't block ALL the saloon windows - it's not a Tavern Car ! No, but I do wonder whether in this era of exotic and rare prototypes making it into 4mm RTR, whether we might one day see one? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 No, but I do wonder whether in this era of exotic and rare prototypes making it into 4mm RTR, whether we might one day see one? Possibly. I certainly don't want to paint a half timbered version. But it'll be when I buy a set as one is definitely on my radar. That's how it works right? As I bought two Kirk kits for the Restaurant Cars just before these were announced after being after them for ages. I'll still get a couple of these to go with my Hornby sets and build the Kirk ones as the rebuilt cars and put them in sets of matching Kirks. Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Headstock Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 Did someone mention Tavern Cars? I built this one for the Master Cutler. 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
exet1095 Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 Did someone mention Tavern Cars? I built this one for the Master Cutler. Wow! That looks fantastic. Really well done, and if you ever want to get rid of it... Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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