RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted June 30, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 30, 2013 Presumably the tender is the current A3/A4 tender they have? Would surely save on tooling costs and keep the rrp down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Multiple identity account 2 Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 Another good pic of the pre-production sample of the P2! https://twitter.com/Hornby/status/350630581203255297/photo/1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Multiple identity account 2 Posted July 2, 2013 Share Posted July 2, 2013 Anyone got pics of the P2 in Perth? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gr.king Posted July 2, 2013 Share Posted July 2, 2013 (edited) You're not missing anything - the sample in Perth was very incomplete, not at all like the item in the previous photo links. There's more about this topic elsewhere. For a start, if I'm allowed to mention it.... http://www.lner.info/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=8880 Edited July 2, 2013 by gr.king 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriverBob Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 Are we allowed to bring up the hoary chestnut of moulded handrails on Design Clever models? Do a persuasive majority of people still want to message Hornby that any handrail over 2 ft on a full-spec model should be wired, not moulded? That includes cab and tender side handrails for the P2 Especially given that the P2 will likely fall into the "trophy cabinet" category for most? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
micklner Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 This is the mock up of the Railroad version ??? I believe Hornby have already said the "proper" version will not have moulded handrails ( I hope!!) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 7013 Posted July 6, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 6, 2013 Plastic handrails, someone on another site moaning about plastic buffers, as micklner states it is a mock up, let's not start berating Hornby before the model is even in pre prod. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Multiple identity account 2 Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 (edited) Plastic handrails, someone on another site moaning about plastic buffers, as micklner states it is a mock up, let's not start berating Hornby before the model is even in pre prod. People complained about the metal buffers also...very hard to satisfy people I must say!!! Edited July 6, 2013 by Jeremiah Bunyan 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold toboldlygo Posted July 6, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 6, 2013 People complained about the metal buffers also...very hard to satisfy people I must say!!! Even if it has everything perfect some people will still not be satisfied.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilwell Park Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 Even if it has everything perfect some people will still not be satisfied.... Of course they won't be satisfied, they will have nothing to moan about! 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted July 7, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 7, 2013 Saw the beast yesterday at DEMU (home territory).....looks very,very impressive to me in outline shape. A cause for future celebration,methinks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Multiple identity account 2 Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 Plastic handrails, someone on another site moaning about plastic buffers, as micklner states it is a mock up, let's not start berating Hornby before the model is even in pre prod. Looking at images the handrails look very delicate but are not moulded for sure. So that is nice Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Multiple identity account 2 Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 (edited) Even if it has everything perfect some people will still not be satisfied.... Of course they won't be satisfied, they will have nothing to moan about! FACT IS.....Those type of people should opt for kits then.... They can add whatever they want and can only blame themselves if they don't like it. Unless they don't like the kit and what it is made off No point in anyone disliking this because it's true.....! Only the smart ones will know what I'm saying is correct. Edited July 22, 2013 by Jeremiah Bunyan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Reid Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 Plastic handrails, someone on another site moaning about plastic buffers, as micklner states it is a mock up, let's not start berating Hornby before the model is even in pre prod. Where do Hornby say that it was a mock up? According to one of the Hornby photo's it's the first tool - rather more advanced than some would suggest! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Multiple identity account 2 Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 Where do Hornby say that it was a mock up? According to one of the Hornby photo's it's the first tool - rather more advanced than some would suggest! It was indeed the first off the mould. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Reid Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 Thanks Jeremiah - whatever folks expectations of it there's the makings of a good base model there from which others can, if they choose to, "improve" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 7013 Posted July 7, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 7, 2013 First off the mould, well it looks pretty good and will hopefully do such a magnificent loco justice when in full production. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Multiple identity account 2 Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 Thanks Jeremiah - whatever folks expectations of it there's the makings of a good base model there from which others can, if they choose to, "improve" Totally agree with you... If they want metal buffers those are easily available. There are a host of spares available these days. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btourer Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 (edited) To me, this model looks a lot better than the Duke of Gloucester prototype. Far less exposed piping, which in the Duke's case does draw unfavourable comparison with the Hornby 'Britannia' and 'Clan'. I agree that it is easy enough for most modellers of average skill to replace the buffers with sprung items, replace the smokebox dart etc. Any paintwork damaged in these areas is easily repaired, a quick airbrushing of red or black respectively. I disagree that moulded handrails anywhere on the body, cab or tender are an acceptable compromise, especially on an LNER fully lined apple green locomotive. It will be impossible to remove the mouldings without damaging the paint, and to get a decent finish, at least the whole side of the cab would need to be repainted and relined in what is probably the most complicated lining of a British railway company. What I really don't understand is why Hornby didn't just decide to include hadrails in a seperate bag if this is an item that would take too much time to fit seperately at the factory? I believe (Please forgive me if I am wrong, I have never bought a locomotive from Vi Trains) Vi Trains have a detailing pack with their diesels that contains handrails for the modeller to fit in order to reduce the price point of the loco. It is so easy to fit handrails in a locomotive using a small drop of cyano from the opposite side of the hole, leaving a neat result. While I greatly enjoy kitbuilding, when I first started out painting was not the easiest part for me, and lining can still have me tearing my hair out as I aim to emulate Ian Rathbone's work, and fail to come close. Edited July 17, 2013 by Btourer 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-BOAF Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 It was on Facebook, but I cna't find it now - the Perth P2 was shown without wheels, and OH Dear .... GWR-Tank Style SQUARE axle troughs again, doubtless as thin and suceptable to wear. Great looking model, mechanically suspect it seems... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oOld Harry 666 Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 It was on Facebook, but I cna't find it now - the Perth P2 was shown without wheels, and OH Dear .... GWR-Tank Style SQUARE axle troughs again, doubtless as thin and suceptable to wear. Great looking model, mechanically suspect it seems... I am glad that such final decisions can be made from photos on a Facebook site. With this expert analysis we can make thousands of development and production engineers redundant, when any manufacturer designs any new product just put a photo on facebook and all these self proclaimed experts can tell the manufacturer what is wrong with the design and what it's life expectancy is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-BOAF Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Ok, fair cop guv. maybe a bit extremeon my part. But I've found the picture. Unless there are brass bearings inside, the openings look more square than round... https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/946828_10151491876930843_509348922_n.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
micklner Posted July 17, 2013 Share Posted July 17, 2013 Who knows ?? its still a mock up tooled or otherwise Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 Maybe it will be the first Hornby model to run with no wheels at all...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted July 21, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 21, 2013 It was on Facebook, but I cna't find it now - the Perth P2 was shown without wheels, and OH Dear .... GWR-Tank Style SQUARE axle troughs again, doubtless as thin and suceptable to wear. Great looking model, mechanically suspect it seems... Or, to look at it more positively - "Hornblock Ready" 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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