Fireline Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 Well, things are looking up. Got the "Your payment has failed" email from Hornby. Went onto their site to update my card details, and it took them first time! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted March 18, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 18, 2021 36 minutes ago, Fireline said: Well, things are looking up. Got the "Your payment has failed" email from Hornby. Went onto their site to update my card details, and it took them first time! All too easily forgotten. Last year the system for reasons unknown would take only PayPal when I attempted payment. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted March 18, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 18, 2021 1 hour ago, Calidore said: Very much looking forward to hearing about the colour / standard of finish, when someone gets hands on one... Adam People have been champing at the bit for this model since it was announced and quite a few who thought they had secured one on preorder have recently had to find a new source at short notice Waiting for others to rate a model before deciding to buy is usually a good idea, but in this case, delaying may make finding one rather hard work.... John 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted March 18, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 18, 2021 And as a footnote to the delivery of 35024 ,an email now received from Hornby announcing the release describes it as bedecked in “experimental blue livery “. Except of course there was nothing experimental about it.....as opposed to some A4’s which H have released over the years. Blue was standard for a short while for BR 8P locos from all regions.Some A3 received it too . Sorry for the pedantry but H do have R&D etc.to ensure accuracy of what’s both inside the box and printed on the outside. Oh never mind,it’ll be good to recreate memories of Waterloo & Clapham Junction in the ( very) early 1950’s. Now what about aTavern Car to accompany it ? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted March 18, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 18, 2021 (edited) As far as I can see, Hornby's 35024 is in the standard blue livery, both in shade and lining. However, I have seen a photo of 35024 in a darker shade with triple lining in the style applied to Malachite locos but in red. Will amend this post later with a reference if I can find it. EDIT: haven't found the colour photo, but pps 142-144 of Bulleid Power by A.J. Fry refers, and there is a b&w photo. The blue is stated to be the standard shade so the photo I've seen must be a dodgy print! Cross referring to Derry confirms it only to have been like that for about a month in 1949, then re-done with black and white lining, the centre line being removed. The black "splash skirt" was added to loco and tender at the same time. John Edited March 18, 2021 by Dunsignalling Addition 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted March 18, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 18, 2021 19 minutes ago, Dunsignalling said: As far as I can see, the livery on 35024 is the standard blue livery both in shade and lining. However, I have seen a photo of 35024 in a darker shade with triple lining in the style applied to Malachite locos but in red. Will amend this post later with a reference if I can find it. EDIT: haven't found the colour photo, but pps 142-144 of Bulleid Power by A.J. Fry refers, and there is a b&w photo. The blue is stated to be the standard shade so the photo I've seen must be a dodgy print! Cross referring to Derry, it appears only to have been carried for about a month in 1949, then re-done with black and white lining, the centre line being removed. John I think you’re on the right lines here . The “experiments “ were to the lettering, lining ,wheels and tender crest of 35024 and not to the standard blue livery .Apparently several combinations were tried before officialdom was satisfied with the end results and the wheels painted black ( ! ) .So at a guess I think that’s the source of H’s description . My source on this is a recently published Transport Treasury book compiled by Hector Maxwell “The Bulleid Merchant Navy class original and rebuilt “ which I commend to you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RFS Posted March 18, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 18, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Dunsignalling said: As far as I can see, Hornby's 35024 is in the standard blue livery, both in shade and lining. However, I have seen a photo of 35024 in a darker shade with triple lining in the style applied to Malachite locos but in red. Will amend this post later with a reference if I can find it. EDIT: haven't found the colour photo, but pps 142-144 of Bulleid Power by A.J. Fry refers, and there is a b&w photo. The blue is stated to be the standard shade so the photo I've seen must be a dodgy print! Cross referring to Derry confirms it only to have been like that for about a month in 1949, then re-done with black and white lining, the centre line being removed. The black "splash skirt" was added to loco and tender at the same time. John Any colour photos of MNs in blue livery are around 70 years old, and by the time they're scanned and put online the exact shade is going to be open to question. Same of course with questions as to the correct shade of green.... This photo right at the start of one of David Hey's collections shows 35020 in blue livery, but with what appears to be two different shades ... https://davidheyscollection.myshopblocks.com/pages/david-heys-steam-diesel-photo-collection-30-br-southern-region-1 EDIT: A picture of 35027 in blue on the SEMG Website (click picture to expand). Edited March 18, 2021 by RFS 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted March 18, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 18, 2021 (edited) 46 minutes ago, RFS said: Any colour photos of MNs in blue livery are around 70 years old, and by the time they're scanned and put online the exact shade is going to be open to question. Same of course with questions as to the correct shade of green.... This photo right at the start of one of David Hey's collections shows 35020 in blue livery, but with what appears to be two different shades ... https://davidheyscollection.myshopblocks.com/pages/david-heys-steam-diesel-photo-collection-30-br-southern-region-1 EDIT: A picture of 35027 in blue on the SEMG Website (click picture to expand). That repainted panel on 35020 looks like the aftermath of a fire in oil-soaked insulation material. Nice shot of 35027. From the look of it, I'd bet on that having being copied directly from an original Kodachrome slide and should therefore be about as trustworthy for colour as we can hope for at this remove. Edit: on second thoughts, it's too grainy for that and the creams are too white. Think the blue is probably pretty good, though. John Edited March 18, 2021 by Dunsignalling Second thoughts Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
willc789 Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 Photos are now up courtesy of Kernow: https://www.kernowmodelrailcentre.com/p/58744/R3632-*-Hornby-Merchant-Navy-Class-Steam-Locomotive-number-35024 2 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black 5 Bear Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 Truly spectacular and definitely worth the wait ! 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted March 18, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 18, 2021 (edited) I have just seen Muz's pics of the black MN. That is the most deliciously evil Bulleid pacific I have ever seen, and I saw 139 of the 140, although not in black. My layout is set far too far west of the MN stamping ground, but one of those will be coming here when they appear. Edited March 18, 2021 by Oldddudders 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold MikeParkin65 Posted March 18, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 18, 2021 Now that is a thing of beauty! 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black 5 Bear Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 This proves beyond doubt that Hornby can produce a quality product. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calidore Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 (edited) That looks rather good. Amazing to see the thing, after however many years it's been. Kernow's website example does seem to have the bottom row of electric lights and lamp irons mounted parallel to the angle of the platework, rather than vertically, though -- I hope that's a one-off. Edited March 18, 2021 by Calidore 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted March 18, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 18, 2021 5 minutes ago, Calidore said: Kernow's website example does seem to have the bottom row of electric lights and lamp irons mounted parallel to the angle of the platework, rather than vertically, though -- I hope that's a one-off. Illuminating the stars is really important to a train driver. Deal with it. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maico Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 That's the shade of blue I was hoping for, not experimental. The dial faces also seem to be numbered. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartingram Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 However, I have seen a photo of 35024 in a darker shade with triple lining in the style applied to Malachite locos but in red. Will amend this post later with a reference if I can find it. I believe this to be a Colour Rail slide, of which I have a copy, though I can't find it in their current catalogue. Stewart Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenL Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 (edited) 14 hours ago, stewartingram said: However, I have seen a photo of 35024 in a darker shade with triple lining in the style applied to Malachite locos but in red. Will amend this post later with a reference if I can find it. I believe this to be a Colour Rail slide, of which I have a copy, though I can't find it in their current catalogue. Stewart I'm away from my books at the moment but my memory suggests this photo might be in David Jenkinson's book 'The Big Four in Colour'. Edited March 19, 2021 by BenL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted March 18, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 18, 2021 She’ll do .I can hear her now. Devon Belle/ Bournemouth Belle,anyone ? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ed 66 plant Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 3 hours ago, Ian Hargrave said: And as a footnote to the delivery of 35024 ,an email now received from Hornby announcing the release describes it as bedecked in “experimental blue livery “. Except of course there was nothing experimental about it.....as opposed to some A4’s which H have released over the years. Blue was standard for a short while for BR 8P locos from all regions.Some A3 received it too . Sorry for the pedantry but H do have R&D etc.to ensure accuracy of what’s both inside the box and printed on the outside. Oh never mind,it’ll be good to recreate memories of Waterloo & Clapham Junction in the ( very) early 1950’s. Now what about aTavern Car to accompany it ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Graham_Muz Posted March 18, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 18, 2021 (edited) On 18/03/2021 at 16:34, Ian Hargrave said: And as a footnote to the delivery of 35024 ,an email now received from Hornby announcing the release describes it as bedecked in “experimental blue livery “. Except of course there was nothing experimental about it.....as opposed to some A4’s which H have released over the years. Blue was standard for a short while for BR 8P locos from all regions.Some A3 received it too . Sorry for the pedantry but H do have R&D etc.to ensure accuracy of what’s both inside the box and printed on the outside. Oh never mind,it’ll be good to recreate memories of Waterloo & Clapham Junction in the ( very) early 1950’s. Now what about aTavern Car to accompany it ? On 18/03/2021 at 16:42, Dunsignalling said: As far as I can see, Hornby's 35024 is in the standard blue livery, both in shade and lining. However, I have seen a photo of 35024 in a darker shade with triple lining in the style applied to Malachite locos but in red. Will amend this post later with a reference if I can find it. EDIT: haven't found the colour photo, but pps 142-144 of Bulleid Power by A.J. Fry refers, and there is a b&w photo. The blue is stated to be the standard shade so the photo I've seen must be a dodgy print! Cross referring to Derry confirms it only to have been like that for about a month in 1949, then re-done with black and white lining, the centre line being removed. The black "splash skirt" was added to loco and tender at the same time. John On 18/03/2021 at 17:17, Ian Hargrave said: I think you’re on the right lines here . The “experiments “ were to the lettering, lining ,wheels and tender crest of 35024 and not to the standard blue livery .Apparently several combinations were tried before officialdom was satisfied with the end results and the wheels painted black ( ! ) .So at a guess I think that’s the source of H’s description . My source on this is a recently published Transport Treasury book compiled by Hector Maxwell “The Bulleid Merchant Navy class original and rebuilt “ which I commend to you. On 18/03/2021 at 19:32, stewartingram said: However, I have seen a photo of 35024 in a darker shade with triple lining in the style applied to Malachite locos but in red. Will amend this post later with a reference if I can find it. I believe this to be a Colour Rail slide, of which I have a copy, though I can't find it in their current catalogue. Stewart On 18/03/2021 at 19:38, BenL said: I'm away from my books at the moment but my memory suggests this might be in David Jenkinson's book 'The Big Four in Colour'. For the record 35024, whilst in the works in February 1949 was painted in a dark blue, including the wheel with three horizontal crimson bands and a hand painted early emblem on the tender. She however re-entered service in what was to become standard express passenger blue with two black bands with white lining following inspection of the livery by members of the Railway Executive at Brighton Works. Edited March 28, 2021 by Graham_Muz 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Graham_Muz Posted March 18, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 18, 2021 For those interested in Merchant Navys (and if you are not then why are you reading this thread...?) then I can recommend the latest book from the Strathwood Books stable https://grahammuz.com/2021/03/18/the-next-steam-lament-book-from-strathwood-books-merchant-navys-q1-leader-and-other-works/ that has photographs of every member of the class across their lives and covering different liveries. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted March 18, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 18, 2021 1 hour ago, maico said: That's the shade of blue I was hoping for, not experimental. The dial faces also seem to be numbered. It was never supposed to be in Experimental Blue. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maico Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 26 minutes ago, Hilux5972 said: It was never supposed to be in Experimental Blue. That's what someone at Hornby described it as and the photoshop rendering there, up until recently, was way off the correct colour too! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted March 18, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 18, 2021 Long wait, looks nice, but whats going on with the lights / lamp brackets ? They look err.. windswept backwards.. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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