Adams442T Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 They are definitely here... 30582_rhfan.jpg 30582_lhran.jpg Wonky bunker railing is my fault, I had the coal load out and didn't refit it properly! 30582_rh.jpg Glad I've waited for the Hornby LSWR version rather than succumb to the lure of the OR version. Got it coming from 'Rails' for less than £20 more than the OR LSWR, which I think is worth it not to have to carve about the casting block to achieve 'daylight' under the boiler, and then splice and paint match a lower boiler section. I know some folks are happy with the OR version, but that glaring error ruled it out for me. A shame really as I had looked forward to supporting them, intending to buy 3 initially, but their faults seem to be compounded in the NB wagon, LNER cattle truck, and unless they correct it the Dean Goods too. Cheap is one thing, and welcome, but not if you're having to do more work to bring them up to scratch. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted July 7, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 7, 2016 Do we know when the pack with the coaches is likely to be here? According to the Hornby website you have a long wait.....3/12/2016. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gerbil-Fritters Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 it could pull them until it came to a gradient - then it just sat there wheels spinning. Just like the real thing.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertiedog Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 Looks very nice, but what have they done to the chimney skirt? it is far too thick, the Oxford may have rivets on the dome, but the skirt is flush on both within reason. I have one on order, but in the Southern Livery which is still to come. The boiler looks much better with daylight under it, most of the other detailing is about the same. Stephen. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertiedog Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 (edited) Also just who of the two makers is correct on the slidebars and crossheads, they both basically have the same BR livery, but the Oxford has the duel crosshead and double bar guides and the Hornby has the single bar crosshead and guides. The single bars are correctly done on the preserved LSWR Livery Oxford, so what has happened on the BR livery version, surely both cannot be right. Was there perhaps a difference between 30582 and 30583? Stephen. Edited July 7, 2016 by bertiedog Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adams442T Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 Also just who of the two makers is correct on the slidebars and crossheads, they both basically have the same BR livery, but the Oxford has the duel crosshead and double bar guides and the Hornby has the single bar crosshead and guides. The single bars are correctly done on the preserved LSWR Livery Oxford, so what has happened on the BR livery version, surely both cannot be right. Was there perhaps a difference between 30582 and 30583? Stephen. 30582 and 30584 should both have double slide bars and the straight edge support at the front; 30583 (being 488 originally) has the single slide bar and 'wavy' support. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold toboldlygo Posted July 7, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 7, 2016 Also just who of the two makers is correct on the slidebars and crossheads, they both basically have the same BR livery, but the Oxford has the duel crosshead and double bar guides and the Hornby has the single bar crosshead and guides. The single bars are correctly done on the preserved LSWR Livery Oxford, so what has happened on the BR livery version, surely both cannot be right. Was there perhaps a difference between 30582 and 30583? Stephen. Both types slidebars and crossheads are correct. 30583 was an earlier build to 582. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigherb Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 Here a few pictures of the very bright green one. As tbg says it is a beautiful runner straight out of the box with whichever type of controller I want to use. It suffer the same trait as the Oxford version of lifting the driving wheels when transition to an incline. The Hornby model weighs 237g and the Oxford 203g That didn't work, I was trying to show the cab detail Some comparison with the Oxford Model 12 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold toboldlygo Posted July 7, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 7, 2016 Warning - this post contains nudity Alright 30582 without it's clothes on: 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartingram Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 OK, that's 2 of them sorted and in the shops. Now, where is the one promised by Wrenn (or was it Dapol)? Stewart Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGR Hooper! Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 Warning - this post contains nudity Alright 30582 without it's clothes on: 30582_nude.jpg Train porn?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertiedog Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 OK, that's 2 of them sorted and in the shops. Now, where is the one promised by Wrenn (or was it Dapol)? Stewart Wrenn, in dim and distant days in farthest Essex......... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertiedog Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 A point, not a complaint, but has Hornby shrunk the rear wheel in diameter compared to Oxford? The front wheels also seem to have thicker spokes and wheel boss as well. Most other things seem the same, are the crossheads in plastic though?, and I thought they said it had a flywheel, is it hidden in the gearbox? Stephen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nimbus Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 Notice that Hornby's managed to set the handrail knobs normal to the boiler cladding surface. I wonder whether the holes are radial or if the knob tails are cranked? Only the unpainted dayglo plastic of the wheels jars. The Nim. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold toboldlygo Posted July 7, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 7, 2016 A point, not a complaint, but has Hornby shrunk the rear wheel in diameter compared to Oxford? The front wheels also seem to have thicker spokes and wheel boss as well. Most other things seem the same, are the crossheads in plastic though?, and I thought they said it had a flywheel, is it hidden in the gearbox? Stephen. Flywheel is hidden, but there. Crossheads are metal, the tyres are much finer than Oxfords, hence they look different Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 A point, not a complaint, but has Hornby shrunk the rear wheel in diameter compared to Oxford? The front wheels also seem to have thicker spokes and wheel boss as well. Most other things seem the same, are the crossheads in plastic though?, and I thought they said it had a flywheel, is it hidden in the gearbox? Stephen. There were two different diameters for the trailing wheels. Of 582, 583 and 584, only 583 had the smaller diameter variant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steam69 Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 A point, not a complaint, but has Hornby shrunk the rear wheel in diameter compared to Oxford? The front wheels also seem to have thicker spokes and wheel boss as well. Most other things seem the same, are the crossheads in plastic though?, and I thought they said it had a flywheel, is it hidden in the gearbox? Stephen. Stephen The diameter of the trailing wheels also varied between members of this class, the BR black model has the larger size, the green with the smaller diameter shows up more clearly in the photographs. Richard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted July 7, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 7, 2016 Notice that Hornby's managed to set the handrail knobs normal to the boiler cladding surface. I wonder whether the holes are radial or if the knob tails are cranked? Only the unpainted dayglo plastic of the wheels jars. The Nim. They appear to have sorted the handrail issue on the latest releases of Black Motors, too. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted July 7, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 7, 2016 For those of you greedy for more than one of these,there are photographic records of double-heading on the Lyme Regis branch.See Norman Lockett,Ivo Peters etc....Oh the sins of gluttony...I shall savour the anticipation a while yet as I'm heading for Barcelona ,,,of Freddie Mercury fame.....next week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adams442T Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 Warning - this post contains nudity Alright 30582 without it's clothes on: 30582_nude.jpg Have to check mine when it arrives, but it looks like it could be a donor mech for an LTSR Tilbury Tank! That means buying another..................... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilwell Park Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 Hi. I have wanted one of theses locos ever since I saw 30582 & 30584 double heading through coaches at Axminster as I sped by on the ACE in August 1960. I later saw 30583 at Nine Elms when it came up to London to haul a special. I have been advised that 30584 is now on its way to me. All I need now is a Gate Set from Kernow, a USA from Model Rail and the 58' coaches from Hornby. I do not need a MN in early BR blue, but I would like one. What an expensive time! Roger 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold toboldlygo Posted July 7, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 7, 2016 For those of you greedy for more than one of these,there are photographic records of double-heading on the Lyme Regis branch.See Norman Lockett,Ivo Peters etc....Oh the sins of gluttony...I shall savour the anticipation a while yet as I'm heading for Barcelona ,,,of Freddie Mercury fame.....next week. I would of thought more like Manuel from Fawlty Towers 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted July 7, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 7, 2016 Hi. I have wanted one of theses locos ever since I saw 30582 & 30584 double heading through coaches at Axminster as I sped by on the ACE in August 1960. I later saw 30583 at Nine Elms when it came up to London to haul a special. I have been advised that 30584 is now on its way to me. All I need now is a Gate Set from Kernow, a USA from Model Rail and the 58' coaches from Hornby. I do not need a MN in early BR blue, but I would like one. What an expensive time! Roger "A man's reach is to exceed his grasp....or what's a Heaven for ?" (Robert Browning) .The Pharoahs had their worldly goods interred with them.Go thou do likewise ? What a wonderful time rather and roll on airsmoothed MN 's in whatever livery. Keep the memory green .......or blue......or malachite sunshine......or black. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertiedog Posted July 7, 2016 Share Posted July 7, 2016 Just had a friend around with the LSWR preserved livery Hornby version, and the Oxford and Hornby are very close indeed, but after the comments about the green on the Oxford being too bright, the Hornby is even lighter in shade. The wheels are a bit different as the Oxford has a wider near scale black rim, and definitely looks less "plastic" than Hornby. The splasher width is a fraction greater on the Hornby body than the Oxford. Flange height is smaller as per latest Hornby standard, but the Oxford flange size causes no issues. Oxford added rivets around the dome base, but Hornby have an issue with the chimney flange, it scales out as about 2 inches thick at the edge! Hornby have the correct nut on top of the dome though. Hornby seem to have added the rivets with recessed heads on the cab back, and the cab back the livery is more correct, as Oxford did not line it. The cab interiors are very much the same finish. The running is a bit different, the Hornby is faster, but slow speed is worst of the three I have, at least till it is run in. The low speed is good though by any standards, just that the Oxford is a touch better. One Oxford is new and un-run in anyway, so comparison is fair. The Hornby is a fraction noisier than both Oxford versions. I expect adjusting the front bogie, and rear wheel, will stop the issue at the start of gradients that do not transition well, the issue being coming to a dead halt!.. at least at slow speeds, all work at higher paces, but with reduced pull. The Hornby appears to pull a bit better, but the Oxford can manage more than the prototype anyway. Hornby have packed in a bit of extra weight to the loco. As I said I have a Southern livery one on order from Hornby, so not being partisan in comparison just for the sake of it. One thing I will do to the Black Oxford is mill out the frame under the boiler, but at a later date. As usual Hornby have of course issued no new coaches with the loco, still waiting! A bit more planning in future? Stephen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted July 7, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 7, 2016 I would of thought more like Manuel from Fawlty Towers Manuel .....he no speak Catalan.....pseud. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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