Driving standards

[BrushVeteran]

Especially those in white ones with long wheelbases and Mercedes logo's on the front grille which frequently appear larger than life in your rear view mirror.

I'm glad I've got a red one then Lloyd!

[Baby Deltic]

I'm glad I've got a red one then Lloyd!

I'd imagine you drive a lot better aswell Grahame.

[ejstubbs]

Mud and snow tyres, no problem at all.

 

 

Three peak mountain snowflake (3PMSF) is the marking to look for on tyres for winter use:

 

 

Apart from anything else it's a homologated standard, which M+S isn't.

 

https://www.oponeo.co.uk/tyre-article/winter-tyres-don-t-rely-on-the-m-s-mark

 

Most, if not all,countries which require winter tyres to be used during the winter months insist on tyres with the 3PMSF mark - M+S on its own is not sufficient.

 

My 4WD Yeti performed brilliantly in the snow this week, some of which was up 30cm deep, running on Goodyear Vector 4Season tyres with the 3PMSF marking.

[jjb1970]

As others have said, it doesn't do much to encourage others to clean the snow off their cars, make sure lights and plates are clear etc when plenty of police cars ignore all that.

[Fenman]

Three peak mountain snowflake (3PMSF) is the marking to look for on tyres for winter use:

 

 

Apart from anything else it's a homologated standard, which M+S isn't.

 

https://www.oponeo.co.uk/tyre-article/winter-tyres-don-t-rely-on-the-m-s-mark

 

Most, if not all,countries which require winter tyres to be used during the winter months insist on tyres with the 3PMSF mark - M+S on its own is not sufficient.

 

My 4WD Yeti performed brilliantly in the snow this week, some of which was up 30cm deep, running on Goodyear Vector 4Season tyres with the 3PMSF marking.

I’m using 3PMSF Michelin Crossclimates on my Yeti: hugely impressive. We rarely get much snow here but it’s also performed very well on roads covered in liquid mud - which have been common this winter.

 

Paul

[Ryde-on-time]

This youtube film is a nice demonstration of how it’s decent winter tyres that matter, the cheaper 4 wheel drive on soft roaders with summer tyres give virtually no extra benefit in snowy conditions

 

 

And this shows the benefits such as better braking

 

Edited March 3, 2018 by Ryde-on-time

[davefrk]

Been using AVON 'Ice Tourers' for six winters on madams VW Touran, they were good in the snow, slush and wet winter roads. This winter they were replaced with the new Dunlop 'Winter Sport' tyres and they are great, not a slip or slide so far in the present conditions. As for the cost - well yes the initial purchase and the steel wheels but after that your not using your summer tyres for four months of the year so they are lasting that much longer and it evens out. The down side is of course having somewhere to store the wheels when not in use. My car still has the summer tyres on and being fat low profile they are hopeless in the snow so I understand how people get stuck so easily.

I would rather be safe and be able to get home but then one has to avoid the 'Muppets' who just haven't a clue how to drive in the winter.

 

Dave Franks.

[Jol Wilkinson]

In addition to having the optimum tyres for the conditions, driving technique is also critical. Most motorists don't know how to deal with difficult conditions and probably assume all the driving aids fitted to their car will take care of things for them.

 

As a yoof I had an old rear wheel drive MG and would take the opportunity to slip and slide around our housing estate to learn how to cope with the conditions. I was also fortunate to spend some time at a police skid training school during my Ford engineering training course, both instructional and fun.

 

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[peanuts]

In addition to having the optimum tyres for the conditions, driving technique is also critical. Most motorists don't know how to deal with difficult conditions and probably assume all the driving aids fitted to their car will take care of things for them.

 

As a yoof I had an old rear wheel drive MG and would take the opportunity to slip and slide around our housing estate to learn how to cope with the conditions. I was also fortunate to spend some time at a police skid training school during my Ford engineering training course, both instructional and fun.

 

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driving ability can account for 90% of weather you get stuck or not sadly extreme driving conditions are not frequent in this country so most rarely get to drive in them so anything learned is quickly forgotten also the amount of selfish driving i see where just easing off a little to allow the other driver space and time would be of help but to many dont know how to plan as they drive meaning they get themselves into difficult and dangerous situations that with a little forethought could of been avoided  . case in point thursday night coming home from work from Rochdale to Carbrook the beast from the east is battering the local area many roads closed most clogged with snow and traffic having managed to get over the two bad climbs coming over from Oldham face one last climb upto Micklehurst two or three inches of loose snow on top of packed hard snow not the best for traction but my astra as ever is coping well then i get to the section more exposed to the wind with three to four foot snow drifts growing across the road drifts are lower on the wrong side of the road so having met no other traffic moved over to that side and continue all going well untill just before the road levels out am met by a Audi Q3 coming the other way with no lights and a letter box size hole cleared on the windscreen steer into one of the drifts to avoid said Audi who carries oblivious leaving me struggling to extricate my self an hour of shunting to and fro got me turned around and on my way eventualy arriving home having taken five hours to cover 11 miles .did have a little chuckle when going over the same road next evening and came across said Audi well off the road in a field 

[MJI]

Looks like there is a lot of both love and hate towards off roaders at the moment.

 

Hospitals and such love the help ferrying people around.

 

Quite a few hate them as they crash and the off roader drivers offer help but because they are in a car they dissaprove of the crashers get shirty.

 

A few mentioning it, they offer, get turned down as they are one of those sort.

 

Seems to be mainly so called premium German brands.

 

Last snows I extracted a builder from a hedge, he was happy.

[davefrk]

Looks like there is a lot of both love and hate towards off roaders at the moment.

 

Hospitals and such love the help ferrying people around.

 

Quite a few hate them as they crash and the off roader drivers offer help but because they are in a car they dissaprove of the crashers get shirty.

 

A few mentioning it, they offer, get turned down as they are one of those sort.

 

Seems to be mainly so called premium German brands.

 

Last snows I extracted a builder from a hedge, he was happy.

 

Now I'm sure you know there is a huge difference between a proper 4X4 and a urban kid-on 4X4 especially the more expensive ones known as Chelsea Tractors.... People who have proper 4X4s will often stop to help others where as the Muppets with their SUVs wouldn't even know how to engage difflock if it was in the middle of their dashboard!

I'm reading about members of various Landrover clubs who are out there ferrying doctors/nurses, old folk and their provisions. You won't see that from the posh 4X4 SUV brigade who think parking on the kerb is going off road.

 

Dave.

[davefrk]

Sorry, somehow the post appeared twice,

 

 

Dave.

Edited March 3, 2018 by davefrk

[Baby Deltic]

 

Banner repeater off, traffic signals hidden around corner are green.

[peanuts]

and they wonder why they are called organ doners https://www.facebook.com/2WRNV/videos/1528095830585667/?t=12

[Guest]

I'm not sure you'd want organs that have been run over by a truck.

 

Anyway. Can you see what's wrong here?

 

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2016763595229214&id=1639895012916076

[chriswright03]

and they wonder why they are called organ doners https://www.facebook.com/2WRNV/videos/1528095830585667/?t=12

'they'? 

 

'We', like any other group of motorists differ vastly in our abilities and what we think our abilities are.  Admitted 'some' are their own worst enemy and the same as with a lot of things in life it is the minority who give the majority a bad name.  Generalisations are generally wrong!

 

One of the Ten Commandments is You should be able to stop safely in the distance you can see and on the correct side of the road.

[chris p bacon]

and they wonder why they are called organ doners https://www.facebook.com/2WRNV/videos/1528095830585667/?t=12

 

The bike was doing 85 when it first saw the lorry, had it been doing the 100+ it had been earlier, I'm not sure it could have taken the avoiding action.

 

Some ride way beyond their abilities.

[Fenman]

The bike was doing 85 when it first saw the lorry, had it been doing the 100+ it had been earlier, I'm not sure it could have taken the avoiding action.

 

Some ride way beyond their abilities.

 

50% of all of us have below average skills. But all of us have to share the same roads.

 

People who in their own heads consider themselves to be highly skilled ought to be driving in a way that takes account of the inadequacies of the rest of us.

 

I have a vague memory of an ancient survey which showed that 85% of us believe we have "above average" driving skills. Suggests at least a third of road users are utterly deluded about their own incompetence.

 

Paul

[chriswright03]

The bike was doing 85 when it first saw the lorry, had it been doing the 100+ it had been earlier, I'm not sure it could have taken the avoiding action.

 

Some ride way beyond their abilities.

'Some' being the operative word.  Having spent my former years picking up the pieces and knocking on the doors of nearest and dearest to give them the and news and then  a few years after that training people to ride and then ride better I fully accept the 'some'.  Just the same as 'some' car drivers, some white van drivers and so on.

 

The rider in question in the clip was incredibly lucky not to become another statistic and incredibly stupid to post the footage on youtube.  Obviously thinking it was the lorry driver's fault.  The fact that when the lorry pulled out the road would be clear maybe didn't enter the head of the rider.  Like a lot (note not all) of footage that is posted from dashcams and the like it often comes with free indignation that someone has done them wrong but very seldom a realisation that they had a part to play in it and could have done better.

[Baby Deltic]

'Some' being the operative word. Having spent my former years picking up the pieces and knocking on the doors of nearest and dearest to give them the and news and then a few years after that training people to ride and then ride better I fully accept the 'some'. Just the same as 'some' car drivers, some white van drivers and so on.

 

The rider in question in the clip was incredibly lucky not to become another statistic and incredibly stupid to post the footage on youtube. Obviously thinking it was the lorry driver's fault. The fact that when the lorry pulled out the road would be clear maybe didn't enter the head of the rider. Like a lot (note not all) of footage that is posted from dashcams and the like it often comes with free indignation that someone has done them wrong but very seldom a realisation that they had a part to play in it and could have done better.

Indeed. The rider appears to be an utter moron and inbicile on two fronts; riding like that and then posting the incriminating evidence on YouTube. I wonder if Mr Plod will be knocking on his door?.... Edited March 4, 2018 by Baby Deltic

[chris p bacon]

'Some' being the operative word.  

 

 

I passed my bike test long before my car and rode for many years on a succession of bikes, after 100,000+ incident free miles I had to concede defeat that the amount tools I had to carry just couldn't be done on a bike and I moved to a car/van. I kept the bike for some time and continued to ride but found that without the daily experience my skills and perception of other road users had changed so I sold it on.

Just a couple of years later a friend purchased a CBR600 and in exchange for storing it in the workshop I got an occasional ride, whilst enjoyable I could not believe the difference in speed and handling and if not careful it could get you into a lot of trouble. After 6 months this was sold on and since then I've not ridden,  I note that in the car it is difficult enough now with the poor driving we seem to have, so doubt I now have the ability to ride competently amongst todays distracted drivers.

 

I Have seen others of my age go back to bikes as to them they are cheap, one such rider purchased a Hiyabusa,  he always had an overestimation of his riding abilities and sadly within a year was in a box. No other vehicles involved just excess speed and lack of ability. He'd had a 750 for 2 summers but his previous bike to that had been a Honda 250 Superdream in the early 80's. When he purchased it I said he would either sell it within a month or die within a year, Sometimes you just hate being right about some things.

[PhilJ W]

and they wonder why they are called organ doners https://www.facebook.com/2WRNV/videos/1528095830585667/?t=12

Just read a few of the comments on Facebook, I couldn't find any complimentary ones.

 

I'm not sure you'd want organs that have been run over by a truck.

 

Anyway. Can you see what's wrong here?

 

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2016763595229214&id=1639895012916076

That reminds me of a boss I once had. He had just passed his test and bought himself a Mk. III Escort (FWD). He came into the office and coplained that he couldn't get the back wheels to spin. I was tempted to tell him to take it back to the dealer and complain but I didn't think I'd be able to keep a straight face. His next three cars were BMW's, say no more. (He probably thought they were front wheel drive.)

[Guest]

Mr Plod will be knocking on his door?....

Probably. One way or another.

[chriswright03]

I still ride all year and try to get out at least once a month even in the winter.  Sadly never managed it in February.  When I do go out I always try and avoid the 'biker roads' and there are a lot around here.  My reason for this is that I do not want to have to be looking out for some nutters thinking they are on a track and that they have the abilities of Rossi. 

 

It is sometime since I was involved in dealing with RTC's or rider training but I do still believe that the highest risk to motorcyclists is when they are riding in groups.  When they do there is always someone who cannot ride as quick as the others yet tries.  This often to my knowledge tragically ends badly.  Hence I very rarely ride with others and if I do they use a system to ensure safety which is always adhered to.

 

I doubt that I actually know the limit of my abilities on a bike and I have no intention of finding out!  I always ride using the full training that I have been lucky to have in my career and am always aware that my safety is my responsibility.  Motorcycling is a fantastic experience if, like others it is done within safe parameters. 

 

I would just add that you may see riders riding too fast, dangerously and not wearing the correct clothing.  Please do not tar us all with the same brush.  There are no dangerous roads and motorcycles ridden and maintained properly are no more dangerous.

[Baby Deltic]

Not forgetting the fatal A47 motorbike crash clip where the motorcycle hit a car turning right at near 100mph:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_Zg0JYDUqM