hayfield Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Question is; what size would you like? switch.JPG The plan I sent you used a 15' switch, top one of the two below is a 9' (bottom is a 15' as originally drawn for comparison). FB2.JPG I also note that using the 9' seems to sort out the sleeper spacing issue Not trying to compete with Mark I have here a 1:8 turnout with a 10' switch specially done for the L&B by John Clutterbuck o14_master_pages_2015_12_01_2049_49.pdf Templot box file o14_master_2015_12_01_2000_41.box Enjoy, all you have to do now is build it Geoff One of the problems with narrow gauge in model form is what look right, when all previous offerings (from the trade) are of very small radii. The eye gets used to what is wrong. Having said that does a prototypical size scale down to model form ? Looking at the 3 plans the 9 & 10 foot turnouts do look much better, especially with the shorter check rails Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Cook Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Sorry... Is that good or bad ? Andy well if you study the photo's you will see that the prototype checkrail only spans 3 timbers, keep up Geoff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indomitable026 Posted December 2, 2015 Author Share Posted December 2, 2015 We're there with this now, pass the grinder someone! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indomitable026 Posted December 6, 2015 Author Share Posted December 6, 2015 I'm up for a bit of tinkering. Having realised, through the technical input of friends, the point needs shortening to get the switch angle sitting correctly against the stock rail. Rather than start again I've decided to try this out on my current 'prototype'. Because I've filed an 'inlet' on the stock rail I first off all need to move that in first. This means removing a section of plain rail and moving the stock rail along. Of course when I do the proper build I'll use the plans sent to me earlier from Geoff/Mark. But this will at least give me feel of what looks like is going to work.. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indomitable026 Posted December 6, 2015 Author Share Posted December 6, 2015 This is what it looks like; Issues; 1) I've filed too much out of the top of the stock rail - the switch blade goes too far in 2) I've not filed enough off the bottom of the stock rail to let the switch blade in 3) the 'inlet' needs to be longer (two sleepers in total - S5 to S7) in the stock rail. Other than that, I think this will probably work... Pub time 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mark Forrest Posted December 6, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 6, 2015 Looks good. You'll need something to support the switch rails; does anyone make a suitable slide chair? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indomitable026 Posted December 6, 2015 Author Share Posted December 6, 2015 Looks good. You'll need something to support the switch rails; does anyone make a suitable slide chair? I'll use brass as you guys suggested for the base plates Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Siberian Snooper Posted December 6, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 6, 2015 If you file the foot off of the stock rails and file down the switch toes to a suitable fine point, please leave the foot of the switch intact on the 2 foot side of the rail, then with a set in the curved stock rail there should be no need to file a notch in the stock rails. There is a diagram somewhere on the Templot Forum which shows what is required, I am unable to post a link at the moment, but I will have a look later. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indomitable026 Posted December 6, 2015 Author Share Posted December 6, 2015 If you file the foot off of the stock rails and file down the switch toes to a suitable fine point, please leave the foot of the switch intact on the 2 foot side of the rail, then with a set in the curved stock rail there should be no need to file a notch in the stock rails. There is a diagram somewhere on the Templot Forum which shows what is required, I am unable to post a link at the moment, but I will have a look later. Yes, agreed and that's how I've always built points - however for some reason I thought I'd try this... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayfield Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 This is what it looks like; IMG_1477.jpg IMG_1478.jpg Issues; 1) I've filed too much out of the top of the stock rail - the switch blade goes too far in 2) I've not filed enough off the bottom of the stock rail to let the switch blade in 3) the 'inlet' needs to be longer (two sleepers in total - S5 to S7) in the stock rail. Other than that, I think this will probably work... Pub time Damiam I do like the plastic chairs, what make are they please Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indomitable026 Posted December 6, 2015 Author Share Posted December 6, 2015 Damiam I do like the plastic chairs, what make are they please The base plates are from KBScale http://www.kbscale.com/track-parts.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indomitable026 Posted December 12, 2015 Author Share Posted December 12, 2015 Not trying to compete with Mark I have here a 1:8 turnout with a 10' switch specially done for the L&B by John Clutterbuck o14_master_pages_2015_12_01_2049_49.pdf Templot box file o14_master_2015_12_01_2000_41.box Enjoy, all you have to do now is build it Geoff I've not been in Templot for a bit so before I've printed this out I had to let the updates do their thing. Anyway, this the print out that Geoff's attached, in particular the one done by John Clutterbuck for the L&B; 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indomitable026 Posted December 12, 2015 Author Share Posted December 12, 2015 So this is the 1 in 8 L&B point with 10' switch; So now I need to check it against my cobbled up test piece... 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indomitable026 Posted December 12, 2015 Author Share Posted December 12, 2015 And here's the comparison with my cobbled up test piece, and the 0n30 fast tracks jig; I've gone a bit short on the switch with my test piece and the fast track jig is a bit longer which you would expect because the gauge is wider. My way forward now is to build another test piece using the 'Clutterbuck' o14, 1 in 8, 10' switch L&B plan. The long way round? - probably... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Siberian Snooper Posted December 12, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 12, 2015 That turnout template certainly looks better now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indomitable026 Posted December 12, 2015 Author Share Posted December 12, 2015 That turnout template certainly looks better now. Yes agreed, it also looks like plain line timbers have been used as apposed to the point timbers I've used... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indomitable026 Posted December 13, 2015 Author Share Posted December 13, 2015 Right, shall we have another go? Previous test now discarded and new 'JC' plan ready for action... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indomitable026 Posted December 13, 2015 Author Share Posted December 13, 2015 Have we been here before; ah well, it's all good practice and minor compared with the amount of track and points that needs building... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Cook Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Are you going to equalize the timber spacing and have all ends in line Geoff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indomitable026 Posted December 13, 2015 Author Share Posted December 13, 2015 Are you going to equalize the timber spacing and have all ends in line Geoff Nope - this is narrow gauge... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indomitable026 Posted December 13, 2015 Author Share Posted December 13, 2015 Nope - this is narrow gauge... I've gone down the pub... 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted December 14, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 14, 2015 Birmingham narrow gauge: End radii look a tad tight. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indomitable026 Posted December 14, 2015 Author Share Posted December 14, 2015 Birmingham narrow gauge: rps20151214_124830.jpg rps20151214_124812.jpg End radii look a tad tight. Yep, that kink looks like i've built it... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium wagonbasher Posted December 14, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 14, 2015 Damian If you remember, we looked at these when we were in Birmingham with Motor Boat Saltaire for the canal blockade in 2006. I think we decided they are not real (as in put in later)... this was a council waste site - I thnk it was called Muck turn. Further round from that kink the gauge narrows dramatically... Andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted December 14, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 14, 2015 Damian If you remember, we looked at these when we were in Birmingham with Motor Boat Saltaire for the canal blockade in 2006. I think we decided they are not real (as in put in later)... this was a council waste site - I thnk it was called Muck turn. Further round from that kink the gauge narrows dramatically... Andy Interesting, having walked past the track many times, I've always thought it didn't sit right. Mind you, it looks good for the tourists... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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