RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted November 26, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 26, 2016 (edited) I overslept this morning due to brain fade whilst setting the alarm clock for 04.30 to go to Warley - 14.30 wouldn't have been any good at all. Woken by Postie delivering my Cattle wagon so I guess it was just not meant to happen. What a stunning model. I spent a leisurely couple of hours after lunch removing the NEM pockets and mounts, then fitting a pair of #146 Kadees. What looked brilliant to begin with now looks even better with plenty of daylight under the ends. John Edited November 27, 2016 by Dunsignalling Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trevor7598 Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 I only saw one trader ar Warley with the Hornby SR cattle wagon on sale. But when I got home, the postman had delivered my two BR(S) ones. What a wagon !. In my opinion it's the best RTR wagon ever produced by anyone. Even the incorrect builders plate is totally forgiven. I will be in for a pair of Bulleid ones when they reverse the liveries. Thank goodness this wagon was produced post ' design clever '. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garethp8873 Posted November 27, 2016 Author Share Posted November 27, 2016 I only saw one trader ar Warley with the Hornby SR cattle wagon on sale. But when I got home, the postman had delivered my two BR(S) ones. What a wagon !. In my opinion it's the best RTR wagon ever produced by anyone. Even the incorrect builders plate is totally forgiven. I will be in for a pair of Bulleid ones when they reverse the liveries. Thank goodness this wagon was produced post ' design clever '. I saw Hereford Models and Sherwood Models had both versions in stock. I also congratulated one of the members of Hornby staff today at Warley as I felt they needed to hear it. I myself, am still pretty much stunned by the absolute superb job Hornby have done. Until these were announced last year there was no wagon on the RTR market that made me think 'As soon as they arrive, I want them regardless of price'. The wait and the huffing and the drool at seeing the photos was well worth it...!! I do agree there is something about these models that makes them stand out from any other RTR wagons I've purchased in previous years. Even placing them between their kitbuilt GWR and LMS cousins made me feel like I've now got a complete rake of cattle wagons (LNER I do have as well but they're OR and await repainting following refurbishment). Hornby producing both versions pleased me as well as before now no SR Bulleid Cattle wagon was on the market in any form. Well done Hornby, you have made an excellent addition to the Grouping/BR RTR wagon fleet!! Keep on going!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 Well done Hornby, you have made an excellent addition to the Grouping/BR RTR wagon fleet!! Keep on going!! .............. and don't forget that you can use the chassis under the Southern's processed cattle van ........ er, sorry - Meat Van too ! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisf Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 I got one in BR livery [possibly the one] from Hereford Model Centre at opening time yesterday. It looks to be good enough to warrant a little gilding of the lily. Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted November 28, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 28, 2016 I got one in BR livery [possibly the one] from Hereford Model Centre at opening time yesterday. It looks to be good enough to warrant a little gilding of the lily. Chris Thanks to your info Chris ,I got their last SR version.Here's the underframe detail. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Nile Posted November 28, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 28, 2016 This is the underside of the Maunsell version in BR livery. These come with the new split spoked wheels. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 Roll on the Maunsell SR livery versions next year Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted November 28, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 28, 2016 Roll on the Maunsell SR livery versions next year and roll on the BR livery Bulleid versions next year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Brasher Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 (edited) A 3/4 view of a Hornby Bulleid Southern cattle wagon. I wonder if the Southern Railway put the number at the end so it would not get obscured by the muck on the side of the wagon. The side of the floor seems to be in a bright brown shade. I wonder how long it would stay like that. Edited November 28, 2016 by Robin Brasher 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 A 3/4 view of a Hornby Bulleid Southern cattle wagon. I wonder if the Southern Railway put the number at the end so it would not get obscured by the muck on the side of the wagon. The side of the floor seems to be in a bright brown shade. I wonder how long it would stay like that. Perfectly correct about the end number - most (?) of the railways put it there ................. as for the nice varnished wood floor ! ......... well Hornby don't really seem to have got the hang of wood, have they ? ( cf 2HAL shoebeams ) : can't complain the rest is great ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted November 28, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 28, 2016 Perfectly correct about the end number - most (?) of the railways put it there ................. as for the nice varnished wood floor ! ......... well Hornby don't really seem to have got the hang of wood, have they ? ( cf 2HAL shoebeams ) : can't complain the rest is great ! Unless you've had one of these apart, you may not have noticed that the floor is a rather nice metal casting - but, yes, it does require toning down a bit.... John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 Unless you've had one of these apart, you may not have noticed that the floor is a rather nice metal casting - but, yes, it does require toning down a bit.... John I think I cottoned on to the cast floor when the unpainted samples appeared on the interweb ............ incidentally my favourite starting point for an old faded wood colour is Diesel Roof Grey of all things - then toned down with coal dust, brake dust or cow sh .... er - dung as appropriate ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
autocoach Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 (edited) I think I cottoned on to the cast floor when the unpainted samples appeared on the interweb ............ incidentally my favourite starting point for an old faded wood colour is Diesel Roof Grey of all things - then toned down with coal dust, brake dust or cow sh .... er - dung as appropriate It may be a little premature but has anybody dismantled their wagon yet to repaint the floor casting. My order for an SR pair has not finished it's journey cross the troubled waters and lands to California. Edited November 28, 2016 by autocoach Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted November 28, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 28, 2016 (edited) It may be a little premature but has anybody dismantled their wagon yet to repaint the floor casting. My order for an SR pair has not finished it's journey cross the troubled waters and lands to California. They come apart quite easily: 1. Remove the wheelsets. This is because you need to gently push the outer brake assemblies inward to be able to. 2. Remove the coupler screws and NEM pocket units. 3. Insert thumbnail behind drop flap on one side and gently ease outward to release the ridges that engage in the chassis moulding which can now be tilted and removed. 4. With the chassis out of the way, the floor just unclips from the body. John Edited November 28, 2016 by Dunsignalling Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garethp8873 Posted November 28, 2016 Author Share Posted November 28, 2016 .............. and don't forget that you can use the chassis under the Southern's processed cattle van ........ er, sorry - Meat Van too ! Here's hoping that they will do...!! Perfectly correct about the end number - most (?) of the railways put it there ................. as for the nice varnished wood floor ! ......... well Hornby don't really seem to have got the hang of wood, have they ? ( cf 2HAL shoebeams ) : can't complain the rest is great ! From what I recall, only the GWR and SR did the practice of putting the running number on the ends of their cattle wagons. The GWR though stopped doing this practice by the time the post-36 lettering was being applied. As for the LMS and LNER, before 1936 the running number was put on the first or second top plank of the cattle wagon most of the time and in post-36 on the bottom left along with the company and tonnage of the vehicle. The ends of LNER examples would've only had the V.B lettering (vacuum braked) on them and were the only one of the four companies to do this on their cattle wagons. Garethp8873. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 Here's hoping that they will do...!! From what I recall, only the GWR and SR did the practice of putting the running number on the ends of their cattle wagons. The GWR though stopped doing this practice by the time the post-36 lettering was being applied. As for the LMS and LNER, before 1936 the running number was put on the first or second top plank of the cattle wagon most of the time and in post-36 on the bottom left along with the company and tonnage of the vehicle. The ends of LNER examples would've only had the V.B lettering (vacuum braked) on them and were the only one of the four companies to do this on their cattle wagons. Garethp8873. You may well be right about the other Companies ( I did put a question mark against 'most' ! ) and I'll certainly not claim to be an expert on everything pre-Grouping ! ( or post- for that matter ) ......... the Western's dropping of end numbers was partly, at least, because of the cessation of limewashing cattle wagon interiors - and consequent splashing of the sides .................. they still got splashed with the brown stuff, though ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Brasher Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 Some model cows entering two Hornby 0 gauge cattle wagons at Harman's Cross station on the Purbeck Model Railway Group's 0 gauge layout at the first floor of the stables at Godlingston Manor, Swanage. The 0 gauge cattle wagons are not as authentic as the Hornby 00 gauge southern cattle wagons but there is more play value than Hornby's latest offerings. Some 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted November 29, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 29, 2016 Has anyone got a link to a SR van as seen in service please. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold toboldlygo Posted November 29, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 29, 2016 (edited) Some model cows entering two Hornby 0 gauge cattle wagons at Harman's Cross station on the Purbeck Model Railway Group's 0 gauge layout at the first floor of the stables at Godlingston Manor, Swanage. The 0 gauge cattle wagons are not as authentic as the Hornby 00 gauge southern cattle wagons but there is more play value than Hornby's latest offerings. Some Holy Cow BATMAN Edited November 29, 2016 by toboldlygo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clive Mark Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 Found a picture in Mike King's Wagons of the Southern of a Bullied version. Picture caption dates it in 1960. It is still in original livery with the 'R' of the small SR on the side blotched out. Caption says vehicle withdrawn 1963. I could not wait for BR liveried Bullied versions so bought a couple of the Bullied (Dia 1530) at Alton Models this afternoon with a view to repainting. I probably will not bother having seen this picture. Quite a few of these SR Cattle wagons probably went to the scrapyard with original livery somewhere underneath all the muck and lime wash. Just need need to adjust the numbering and lettering. Excellent product. Well done Hornby. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted November 29, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 29, 2016 Found a picture in Mike King's Wagons of the Southern of a Bullied version. Picture caption dates it in 1960. It is still in original livery with the 'R' of the small SR on the side blotched out. Caption says vehicle withdrawn 1963. I could not wait for BR liveried Bullied versions so bought a couple of the Bullied (Dia 1530) at Alton Models this afternoon with a view to repainting. I probably will not bother having seen this picture. Quite a few of these SR Cattle wagons probably went to the scrapyard with original livery somewhere underneath all the muck and lime wash. Just need need to adjust the numbering and lettering. Excellent product. Well done Hornby. Lime wash was banned before the Maunsell wagons were built let alone the Bulleid ones. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 (edited) Found a picture in Mike King's Wagons of the Southern of a Bullied version. Picture caption dates it in 1960. It is still in original livery with the 'R' of the small SR on the side blotched out. Caption says vehicle withdrawn 1963. I could not wait for BR liveried Bullied versions so bought a couple of the Bullied (Dia 1530) at Alton Models this afternoon with a view to repainting. I probably will not bother having seen this picture. Quite a few of these SR Cattle wagons probably went to the scrapyard with original livery somewhere underneath all the muck and lime wash. Just need need to adjust the numbering and lettering. Excellent product. Well done Hornby. Mike King says something along the lines of "some of the Bulleid cattle wagons entered service without vacuum cylinders fitted" ............... can't say I've found a single picture of one that's not just through-piped ( The cylinder close-up in Mike's book could be one such - or it could be one of the B.R. built batch ! ) : anyone any wiser than me ? [ Just twigged : Bulleid was an ex-LNER man - maybe he copied the idea of omitting vac cylinders from the cattle wagons they got from Oxford ? ] Edited November 30, 2016 by Wickham Green Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trevor7598 Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 Has a humble wagon ever been considered for model of the year?. Here are my two Hornby cattle wagons in the company of the excellent Bachmann effort. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted November 30, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 30, 2016 Model of the Year is always likely to go to a locomotive but I've long thought that there should be categories for other items. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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