Folkestone-Dover sea wall wash-out

[David Todd]

Trackwork, digging out.

 

 

 

 

 

Cutting Rails

 

 

 

 

A trench as been dug,on the inside of the seawall

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[David Todd]

The Spoil Train.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Bye For now, oh, I did walk from the site,up to Dover Priory,

 

to try and get pics of it coming through, no one had a booked time for it.

Spent 50 mins waiting,gave up at 1700 hours,learnt later,it left the seafront at 1800.

 

Edited January 20, 2016 by David Todd

[Taigatrommel]

I hope you'll forgive me putting red ovals on your pic, these are the items I mean with regards to trestle remains:

 

[David Todd]

I hope you'll forgive me putting red ovals on your pic, these are the items I mean with regards to trestle remains:

 

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Thats ok, not a problem,  am not qualified to give a constructive answer,sorry,

 

The white part, looks like the 1930 infill, was of chalk., the brown bits, hmm?

[Fat Controller]

I'm confused.. Having brought in spoil last week to build temporary roads, they're now shipping ballast and old sleepers out again? I wonder when they'll start bringing it back in ?

[David Todd]

http://youtu.be/KhENh_JlVW8

[Dagworth]

Thats ok, not a problem,  am not qualified to give a constructive answer,sorry,

 

The white part, looks like the 1930 infill, was of chalk., the brown bits, hmm?

 see http://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/news/task-force-formed-to-speed-dover-sea-wall-railway-rebuilding-as-beach-protection-work-continues

 

 

The railway at Shakespeare Beach dates from the 1840s, and was originally built on a wooden viaduct.

This viaduct was encased in a concrete wall in 1927, and the wooden viaduct left in place surrounded by chalk recovered from the demolition of a former tunnel at Archcliffe.

[David Todd]

I'm confused.. Having brought in spoil last week to build temporary roads, they're now shipping ballast and old sleepers out again? I wonder when they'll start bringing it back in ?

 

  that was proper shale,brought in for vehicle roadway.

[47606odin]

so the wood shown is part of the filled in wooden viaduct

[47606odin]

but looking at how they have not built access for a footbridge on the beach side, just thrown boulders all the way along, (currently) is a new footbridge going back in?

[Gwiwer]

but looking at how they have not built access for a footbridge on the beach side, just thrown boulders all the way along, (currently) is a new footbridge going back in?

 

Let's get the railway rebuilt first.  

 

Is the footbridge part of a public right of way or merely a private access? If the former then it must either be reinstated at some time or an extinction order applied for.  If the order is applied for that fact must be notified by the relevant authority usually in the local papers and on the town hall notice board.

 

If it's a private access or one used only by custom and practice but not defined as a public right of way then there may be no requirement to reinstate the bridge.

 

Either way the essentials need doing first which includes digging out the defective formation and rebuilding it.  

 

The white staining to the sea is ground up chalk caused by the passage of the machinery over exposed rock.  In another parallel with Dawlish the sea there was stained red as earth-moving equipment was driven up and down the beach though in that case more so by the Teignmouth landslip.

[David Todd]

Photo taken from an inshore boat.


Courtesy of DoverMarina.com

Edited January 21, 2016 by David Todd

[David Todd]

The unloading of the coaster, Henriette last Monday.

Photos, DoverMarina.com.

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=473654076166058&id=161119827419486

Edited January 21, 2016 by David Todd

[dp123]

I'm confused.. Having brought in spoil last week to build temporary roads, they're now shipping ballast and old sleepers out again? I wonder when they'll start bringing it back in ?

 

That wasn't spoil, it was clean Type 1 aggregate, more akin to large-ish chipping routinely used for temporary road surfaces.The rubbish coming out is as a result of clearing the old Town Yard formation to create a decent working surface for the workforce and machines, and the beginnings of excavating the trackbed.

[lmsforever]

Thanks for the constant supply of info David are you doing any railway modelling?

[David Todd]

Thanks for the constant supply of info David are you doing any railway modelling?

 

Err, have dropped to     page 3, on Layout topics.

[David Todd]

Today's journey, will start slightly different from previous days.
The bus,from Center of town,to Elizabeth Street,on the A20,adjacent to,
the old Harbour Station.

Now,please don't get confused,
there were 3 stations around here,all within 1/2 mile of each other.
Dover Harbour Station.
Dover Town Station.
Dover Marine Station.
Dover Priory,is up through Harbour Tunnel,north of this seafront area.


The Night Train Ferry,transit



This,I took to start

Taken from the roadoverbridge,A20, looking south,into the curve,then run's along the beach front,where the repair work is taking place.

The building on the right with the tower is the old Harbour Station.
The building large  block is The Lord Warden.

Dover Marine Station,sits behind it on the pier , Town station would have sat on the right of it,on the foreshore..

 

Harbour station,looking north. I am now on the road viaduct,leading towards Western Dock.



Further along the viaduct we look at the road bridge I was standing on taking the first photo.

 

 

The curve rail behind me takes me to where the repair works are.

 

But am not going there, Yet.



I pass the Lord Warden building,it used to be called Southern House,for some reason.


I pass to the otherside of it and enter here,up the stairs.

 

 

This used to be the covered walkway for posh people from the Lord Warden Hotel to the Night Ferry and Marine Station.
It has been recently refurbd.

 

Then walk on down to the Admiralty Pier.

So, you can see things from the covered walkway window.

Which,is this.
 

On the pier we then see this.
 

More later, thanks.

 

You want me to stop ? Just say so.

Edited January 21, 2016 by David Todd

[David Todd]

Sorry, the pics are out of sequence,in the previous post, that's the iPad.

 

Now Sorted out !

Edited January 21, 2016 by David Todd

[lmsforever]

Please don't stop posting its an interesting subject.

[Fat Controller]

That wasn't spoil, it was clean Type 1 aggregate, more akin to large-ish chipping routinely used for temporary road surfaces.The rubbish coming out is as a result of clearing the old Town Yard formation to create a decent working surface for the workforce and machines, and the beginnings of excavating the trackbed.

The spoil that was being removed would have been taken to Hoo Junction, where it would be screened, before commencing a second career as clean aggregate: Network Rail escape paying the Landfill Tax on it, whilst the customer gets it cheaper than he would were it freshly quarried. The stuff's better than the '4" to dust' or 'scalpings' that I've seen used in the past.

[David Todd]

I shall be sorting my previous post out,in about 15 mins.
From my laptop, so the photos flow with the text.
This photo shews, to the pin the start of my walk over the viaduct to the Admiralty Pier.

Edited January 21, 2016 by David Todd

[David Todd]

Ah !, this appear's to be the mobile command station,

 

The on site Boss's Limo.

 

Free parking, no double yellow lines and        no Traffic Warden's.

 

 

 

But, i did say to myself, I would not park there, myself.

 

 

[David Todd]

I am now on the bit of path,on the roundabout,left of the A20 label on the map below,taking photo,

a very dangerous place,to be,but legal.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[David Todd]

All sorts of gremlins tonight, will continue uploading the rest of today's still shots,tomorrow morning.

 

For now, a video taken from Shakespeare cliff top,shewing the actions of the newly formed

Outer Seawall defences,placed so far,too slow wave motion and break up formations.

This is one hour,passed high water,so now work begins again,on this part of the beach.

 

[dp123]

The spoil that was being removed would have been taken to Hoo Junction, where it would be screened, before commencing a second career as clean aggregate: Network Rail escape paying the Landfill Tax on it, whilst the customer gets it cheaper than he would were it freshly quarried. The stuff's better than the '4" to dust' or 'scalpings' that I've seen used in the past.

 

Unfortunately incorrect. Hoo Junction does not recycle ballast anymore (in fact, Hoo Junction does very little other than marshal trains from an engineering perspective, witht the exception of the sand and stone trips to Cliffe and Grain respectively). The VAST majority of relaid/dropped railway ballast is newly quarried, recycled now tends to end up in sidings if anywhere or sold on to outside enterprise. The spoil from Dover is going ultimately to Whitemoor, and the quality of most of it is poor enough (the top surface coming off the yard is mainly contaminated with chalk clogged soil, and not a huge amount of stone) that it's not being recycled back into the system, but disposed of outside of the railway. There will be some stone cleaned up no doubt, but certainly most of this will be ex-formation and will be stockpiled for secondary jobs like yards and sidings. A lot of it get cleaned, graded and crushed, then sold on. IIRC our last major customer for recycled ballast was the Swanage Railway. Very rarely do I deal with anything mainline requiring reclaimed stone, the only routine application is when the HOBC does it all in situ.