Castle Aching

[webbcompound]

and to return to the Far East (or Norfolk) you could have lions arriving at Castle Aching by rail, but the only UK photo I can find at the moment is the Barnum and Bailey Elephant van.

Edited August 6, 2019 by webbcompound

[Northroader]

Not the West Norfolk, but elephants, circus trains, that’s my excuse...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bM9B3mY3JfA

 

[Nearholmer]

The huge bound volume of copies of ‘Boys Own Paper’ that I used to have contained a wonderful coloured lithograph of a railway engineer, roused from sleep in the middle of the night, shooting at one of the Lions of Tsavo from his bunk. Very exciting stuff, with the interior of the carriage lit by the muzzle flash.

 

Cunning, though, because they reused the same picture, in b+w with strategic alterations, to illustrate a story about a chap shooting the head off a striking cobra.

Edited August 6, 2019 by Nearholmer

[Compound2632]

Wild animals on owner's vans... 1s per mile per van; and the returned empty vans are charged as four-wheeled carriages.

 

- I think that means, in road vans loaded on carriage trucks or similar. Alternatively:

 

Elephants, if carried in horse boxes ... according to the number of stalls occupied. (i.e. at horse rate)

When a cattle truck is used ... 9d per mile.

When a vehicle is specially fitted up [...] ... 1s per mile per vehicle.

Elephants, carried in covered carriage trucks ... 1s per mile per truck whether the truck is specially strengthened or not.

 

[Midland Railway TT, July, August, and September, 1903]

 

But I dare say Barnum & Bailey negotiated a rate for their train as a whole, so probably worked out cheaper per elephant. Minimum fare 10 miles.

[corneliuslundie]

Not pregrouping but at least fairly close to Norfolk, i remember elephants arriving at Cambridge by rail in the 1970s.

I really must take care what posters I present you with. Either that or see how many pages of response I can elicit per poster.

How about this one? I don't think it has appeared here before, but it may give Edwardian a few ideas.

Jonathan

Edited August 6, 2019 by corneliuslundie

[Talltim]

That middle rock looks like a cute fat Godzilla

[Titanius Anglesmith]

19 minutes ago, Talltim said:

That middle rock looks like a cute fat Godzilla

The one behind it to the right looks a bit like a puppy...

[Compound2632]

Not really equipped for proper dales weather, are they, those fairies? They'll be taking up cycling next...

[Nearholmer]

I think it was the artist who took up something; something really mellow.

[Northroader]

Yorkshire Fairies, eh? elementary, my dear Lundie.

https://publicdomainreview.org/2013/06/12/sir-arthur-and-the-fairies/

[Edwardian]

1 hour ago, corneliuslundie said:

Not pregrouping but at least fairly close to Norfolk, i remember elephants arriving at Cambridge by rail in the 1970s.

I really must take care what posters I present you with. Either that or see how many pages of response I can elicit per poster.

How about this one? I don't think it has appeared here before, but it may give Edwardian a few ideas.

Jonathan

 

Yes, the idea it gives me is that the NER's "bring your recreational drugs to work day" was probably not the best idea ....

[Dave John]

I wonder if the elephant vans were equipped with the usual notices concerning not flushing at stations ? 

[Hroth]

31 minutes ago, Nearholmer said:

I think it was the artist who took up something; something really mellow.

 

I think we've been there before, and so had the artist...

 

https://www.literarynorfolk.co.uk/poppyland.htm

 

3 hours ago, webbcompound said:

and to return to the Far East (or Norfolk) you could have lions arriving at Castle Aching by rail, but the only UK photo I can find at the moment is the Barnum and Bailey Elephant van.

 

"I thought I was supposed to be travelling First Class!"

 

 

 

 

 

[Nearholmer]

Didn’t “Tomkinson’s Schooldays” feature a cross country run in stern northern climes, relieved by the use of hallucinogens?

[RedGemAlchemist]

2 hours ago, corneliuslundie said:

Not pregrouping but at least fairly close to Norfolk, i remember elephants arriving at Cambridge by rail in the 1970s.

I really must take care what posters I present you with. Either that or see how many pages of response I can elicit per poster.

How about this one? I don't think it has appeared here before, but it may give Edwardian a few ideas.

Jonathan

OI! Who let those LARPers in?

[Dana Ashdown]

On 02/08/2019 at 12:58, runs as required said:

 

•  I suggest  the top right (albeit carefully cropped) does have a touch of Mersey colouring about it. Perhaps the artist (Sep E Setz?) cribbed it from a more familiar Norman Wilkinson coloured LMS coastal scene poster?
  Can anyone put a name to the 1930s pre-Queen Mary three funnelled Cunarder?

The only three stack Cunarder other than Queen Mary was the Berengaria, acquired from the Germans as a war reparation in 1920 for the loss of the Lusitania. She was launched in 1912 as the Imperator and, at 52,117 tons and 909 feet long o.a., was for a time the largest ship in the world. Although she was to stay in service until the Queen Elizabeth was completed, Berengaria had to be withdrawn in 1938 after a series of electrical fires. Re-wiring would have been too costly and she was sent to Jarrow in December 1938 for scrapping.

 

Curiously, it is doubtful that Berengaria made many voyages to or from Liverpool, as she maintained the North Atlantic service with Mauritania (until withdrawn around 1936), Acquitania and latterly the Queen Mary. All in all, Berengaria seems to have been popular with passengers.

 

Dana

Edited August 10, 2019 by Dana Ashdown
Clarifying the number of three stackers.

[Edwardian]

I have been wrestling recently with the Norfolk Minerals Railway Todd, Kitson & Laird 0-4-2.

 

This is a 3D print, sold as a scratch aid super-sized from an N gauge model.  It is designed to utilise a Spud-type motor bogie and the wheels and rods from a Hornby 08 diesel loco.

 

As such, I thought it might make a quick and easy project ..... 

 

I ordered it in Shapeways FUD (frosted ultra detail - now probably called something else).  It is a material that is good at capturing detail, if a little brittle.  It does need sanding, though the required extent depends upon the orientation of the surface.

 

It comes in translucent form, thus:

 

 

I find in helpful to clean it off, to remove a waxy residue, with white spirits.  This turn the material white:

 

 

The next stages are to sand, coat in Halfords filler-primer, and sand again as necessary.

 

It was when painted that some of the limitations inherent in super-sizing an N gauge model became apparent. 

 

 

My first thought was that the prototype frames are festooned with prominent bolt head, There are also a fair number of rivets.  These surface details are laborious to apply, but would have printed crisply in FUD or on a home Photon if included in the design.  

 

My next concern was the boiler cladding.  The planks are very wide on the model, with deep and wide grooves.  The boiler bands stand very proud.  This, I concluded, would not look realistic on the OO gauge version.

 

The other areas where I felt the lack of refinement for OO gauge was particularly obvious were the frames to the cab side sheet, the moulded handrails to the tender and the footplate-mounted springs for the driving wheels. 

 

I also realised that the chimney was too short and stocky.  Gary Blue lightening kindly measured his K's Lion; the 3D printed chimney was 5.5mm shorter, which explains why it looked so dumpy.  The flaring is not pronounced enough, but I elected to live with that.

 

In additions:

 

- The tender faring was sanded to an angle and the edge thinned.

 

- The cab steps and the safety valve spring balance arms were carefully thinned.

 

- The outside frame to the cab side sheets were scraped thinner with a scalpel.

 

- Splasher faces were deepened 

 

- Bracing added with florist's wire

 

The pictures below show how I have attempted to address the various issues and to add some detail.  The surviving filler-primer offers a contrast to the work done. 

 

 

The inevitable conclusion is that a lot of work has been necessary to compensate for the lack of detail and over-scale elements that have resulted from using an N Gauge design for an OO Gauge model.  I did not mind the time or effort, but I feel that my additions are necessarily cruder than the details would be if included in the design in the first place. My conclusion is that the charismatic range of early engines in this range would certainly benefit from a re-design of the 4mm versions.  As the designer is interested in N Gauge, and re-working the CAD for the larger versions would be a lot of work, I would imagine that this would only be worthwhile if a sensible number of orders were the reward. I would be very keen on buying further models in the range, if revised for 4mm.  I am reluctant to repeat the process I've gone through with Lion on another model, frankly because I don't think my efforts at modification are refined enough.

 

In contrast, the "finescale" version of Derwent, which was re-designed for 4mm and restricted to FUD, demonstrates the level of detail and refinement that it is possible to include on a 4mm model.  I look forward to tackling this one in due course, and I'm very grateful to Dr Newman for the extra work put in to produce the upgraded version.

 

  

[brack]

As a designer of quite a few FUD models for over 6 years, I'd suggest that most rivet and bolt work on prominent flat surfaces should not be on the CAD. Doing so in FUD prevents smoothing of the surface and shapeways' FUD prints with small protruding details 'drag up' from beneath the protruding detail, spoiling the surface and definition.

 

Just because something could be printed in a single piece doesn't mean it should be. The best solution (in my opinion) with FUD is to smooth and prepare the print surface then apply archer rivet decals afterwards.

 

Many CAD designers are desperate to add everything on to the print, which produces lovely looking CADs but makes for models which are extremely difficult to finish to an acceptable standard (again, for me). Perhaps newer technologies will overcome this but certainly the current shapeways FUD offerings you have to design around those limitations a little.

[sem34090]

I personally think, looking at the Lion print that the more serious concern is Shapeways' relatively poor surface finish, even in FUD, compared with Photon resin prints. I also can't blame Rudi for simply scaling up the original model for Lion as at the time I don't think he realised the demand for early stuff in 00, and not being a 00 modeller himself there was little motivation to spend a lot of time on something he himself had no use for.

[Annie]

Wow, - you've done a lot of work on that 3D print and it's certainly looking better for it.  At the time when I had to give up modelling I had only just started to use 3d prints for 7mm narrow gauge so my own experience of them is fairly limited.  On one hand is the convenience of being able to get a model that may never be available in RTR or kit form, but on the other hand is all the trials of sanding and priming/filling in order to get a good paintable surface.  In some cases I did wonder if it would have been simpler and easier to just scratch build the model!

[sem34090]

This is why my family (I can't say 'I' honestly) invested in a resin printer... Okay so not everything works first time, but most things have worked pretty well.

[Annie]

These new resin printers do seem to be the way forward Sem and the results that I've seen here on the forums have been very good with a surface finish that even the best of older generation of home printers can't achieve.

[RedGemAlchemist]

37 minutes ago, sem34090 said:

This is why my family (I can't say 'I' honestly) invested in a resin printer... Okay so not everything works first time, but most things have worked pretty well.

You guys are lucky. No way would we be able to afford one ourselves. 

[Nearholmer]

There seems to be as much skill/care needed to get a good result out of 3D printing as there is in scratchbuilding, so “hats off” for the result thus far.

[brack]

I picked up a 1 yr old FDM printer on Saturday for £50 off gumtree. Having fun, so far pretty successfully. It isn't good enough for modelling work but it has tempted me into looking at the photon printers. Up until this generation of resin printers I've not seen anything which was close enough to tempt me, but a photon for under £250, if I could get a couple of commissioned locos I could pay for it!