Donington Road Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 47 minutes ago, Crun said: An article that looks at the possible future of Lincolnshire railways: https://thelincolnite.co.uk/?p=723221 I very much doubt that there would be enough potential passenger traffic. Louth going north maybe and Boston going south through Spalding. Mablethorpe is mainly made up of retired people who are not commuters. If you can find a copy of The Railway History of Lincoln by J.G. Ruddock & R.E. Pearson ISBN 0 904327 04 3 first published in 1974 it gives a very good insight of how and why the railways first came about in Lincolnshire. A very good read. 1 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donington Road Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 9 minutes ago, 313201 said: Can I ask please if the diveunder is going to be wired or if there are plans to install OHLE through it The dive under has been designed to accept OHLE. There are no plans to electrify the Joint Line in the near future. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crun Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 1 hour ago, Donington Road said: I have seen three use it today, all on the down line. Apparently some drivers have raised concerns regarding the position of signal P490 on the up line coming out of the dive under at Cock Lane. Their concern is being stopped there and having to restart on the incline with a heavy train. It is going to stay there for awhile. Lloyds Bank are looking to develop that field and have requested not to have the topsoil replaced. Mick, Thanks for the latest news. I must have picked a quiet time for the dive-under. I will try again tomorrow as it is sunny again. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crun Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 1 hour ago, Donington Road said: I have seen three use it today, all on the down line. Apparently some drivers have raised concerns regarding the position of signal P490 on the up line coming out of the dive under at Cock Lane. Their concern is being stopped there and having to restart on the incline with a heavy train. It is going to stay there for awhile. Lloyds Bank are looking to develop that field and have requested not to have the topsoil replaced. Will they be opening a turf account? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manitoba Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 Quote I have seen three use it today, all on the down line. From occasional eye-balling of the online signalling sites over the last couple of days there does appear to be a marked reluctance for up trains to use the dive-under. Network rail needs to get this sorted, or the DfT won't be very impressed that they're not using their new £200 million bit of train set. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium iands Posted December 14, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 14, 2021 19 minutes ago, Manitoba said: From occasional eye-balling of the online signalling sites over the last couple of days there does appear to be a marked reluctance for up trains to use the dive-under. Network rail needs to get this sorted, or the DfT won't be very impressed that they're not using their new £200 million bit of train set. Apologies if I've missed something, but what is it that Network Rail needs to sort, has a fault occurred with the new line? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Richard E Posted December 14, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 14, 2021 (edited) 16 hours ago, Manitoba said: From occasional eye-balling of the online signalling sites over the last couple of days there does appear to be a marked reluctance for up trains to use the dive-under. Network rail needs to get this sorted, or the DfT won't be very impressed that they're not using their new £200 million bit of train set. From what I have seen there may have been some signalling issues on the up line earlier last week that might have had some impact. Also the timetable changes needed to properly utilise the dive under won't, I believe, go live until next May. Another issue has been raised elsewhere by someone who is/was a timetable planner insofar as GBRF have, according to him, their main loco and rolling stock maintenance depot on the up side of the mainline so he suggested all of their traffic will still run down the up relief/slow and then cross from the yard on the existing ladder set up. I can see that argument for traffic that needs to use the facilities but I'm not sure they are as extensive as he suggests or used by rail traffic as much as he seems to think ... My research suggests that Peterborough is their Fleet Management and Control Centre as well as housing Training. There have been intermodal sidings built but, overheard on a recent rail trip, was the comment that they will not be used. GBRF also state that a wagon maintenance facility is planned for the site. The planners comments are also undermined by the fact that DB Cargo UK maintain GBRF class 60 locomotives at Toton whilst the 66's are dealt with at Doncaster ... Edited December 15, 2021 by Richard E 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheesysmith Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 I thought GBRF 66s went to the EMD Roberts road at Doncaster. Leister does some work as well, but it is only the 60s that use toton? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Richard E Posted December 15, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 15, 2021 7 hours ago, cheesysmith said: I thought GBRF 66s went to the EMD Roberts road at Doncaster. Leister does some work as well, but it is only the 60s that use toton? Yes, my bad - now corrected. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RMweb Premium melmerby Posted December 15, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 15, 2021 On 14/12/2021 at 19:28, Richard E said: From what I have seen there may have been some signalling issues on the up line earlier last week that might have had some impact. Also the timetable changes needed to properly utilise the dive under won't, I believe, go live until next May. Nearly all GBRF down trains via Spalding are scheduled to use the dive under, something like 7 did during Monday. Hardly any up trains scheduled to use it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crun Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 8 hours ago, melmerby said: Nearly all GBRF down trains via Spalding are scheduled to use the dive under, something like 7 did during Monday. Hardly any up trains scheduled to use it. Do you have any times please? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted December 16, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 16, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Crun said: Do you have any times please? I just look on Real Time Trains for Freight via Marholm Junction: Anything from Felixstowe to the NE is a good starting point. https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/detailed/gb-nr:MRHLMJN/2021-12-16/0000-2359?stp=WVS&show=freight&order=wtt Using the same search you can look at previous days e.g. yesterday: https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/detailed/gb-nr:MRHLMJN/2021-12-15/0000-2359?stp=WVS&show=freight&order=wtt You can see the times they actually passed Marholm Jn. Click on service to see full times Edited December 16, 2021 by melmerby 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crun Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 (edited) 35 minutes ago, melmerby said: I just look on Real Time Trains for Freight via Marholm Junction: Anything from Felixstowe to the NE is a good starting point. https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/detailed/gb-nr:MRHLMJN/2021-12-16/0000-2359?stp=WVS&show=freight&order=wtt Using the same search you can look at previous days e.g. yesterday: https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/detailed/gb-nr:MRHLMJN/2021-12-15/0000-2359?stp=WVS&show=freight&order=wtt You can see the times they actually passed Marholm Jn. Click on service to see full times Many thanks for the advice. I will have a look, scribble down the times and try and photograph something using the south portal from the Cock Lane bridge. Cheers! Edited December 16, 2021 by Crun Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold SHMD Posted December 16, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 16, 2021 28 minutes ago, Crun said: Many thanks for the advice. I will have a look, scribble down the times and try and photograph something using the south portal from the Cock Lane bridge. Cheers! Just take your phone and look in "real time" when you are there! Kev. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Richard E Posted December 16, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 16, 2021 13 hours ago, melmerby said: Nearly all GBRF down trains via Spalding are scheduled to use the dive under, something like 7 did during Monday. Hardly any up trains scheduled to use it. I wonder if that is because the up trains are accessing the GBRF 'depot' facilities whilst the down trains are not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted December 16, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 16, 2021 24 minutes ago, Richard E said: I wonder if that is because the up trains are accessing the GBRF 'depot' facilities whilst the down trains are not. If that's the case it could have been a single track tunnel......... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Tomlinson Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 (edited) 52 minutes ago, Richard E said: I wonder if that is because the up trains are accessing the GBRF 'depot' facilities whilst the down trains are not. It's quite possible that some of these stops are for crew changes. You can see why staff at the end of their shift would prefer to be at the depot rather than some distance away by the railway station. I don't think loco changes are that common, based on looking at the allocated locos on Realtime, usually if there has been a failure or a loco has been worked to Peterborough for attention. John. P.S. Whilst I'm confident that GBRf are the heaviest user of the Joint Line, don't forget that both DBS and Freightliner also have a number of scheduled services in the course of a normal day. Edited December 16, 2021 by John Tomlinson Added P.S. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crun Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 (edited) Thursday 16th December Views from Cock Lane bridge. More landscaping: Three dirty Class 66's and numerous RHT machines: Edited December 16, 2021 by Crun 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crun Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 (edited) Views from the ex-works portakabin site in Bretton. Taking away broken up reinforced concrete from a corner: Edited December 16, 2021 by Crun 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crun Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 (edited) Views from the Hurn Road bridge of a quiet corner: Edited December 16, 2021 by Crun 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium corneliuslundie Posted December 16, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 16, 2021 Big Jim commented very recently that it is the end of the RHTT season and the trains were going back to base. And hopefully for the locos to get a wash. Jonathan 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Richard E Posted December 16, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 16, 2021 1 hour ago, Crun said: Views from the Hurn Road bridge. Tree clearance around a brook: Isn't that in someones front 'garden'? If so I doubt it is anything to do with the Werrington works. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Richard E Posted December 16, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 16, 2021 1 hour ago, John Tomlinson said: It's quite possible that some of these stops are for crew changes. You can see why staff at the end of their shift would prefer to be at the depot rather than some distance away by the railway station. I don't think loco changes are that common, based on looking at the allocated locos on Realtime, usually if there has been a failure or a loco has been worked to Peterborough for attention. John. P.S. Whilst I'm confident that GBRf are the heaviest user of the Joint Line, don't forget that both DBS and Freightliner also have a number of scheduled services in the course of a normal day. Agreed but the original comment referenced the GBRF flows. It also ties in with the trackplanners comment that I referred to earlier about the GBRF depot and there still being the need to cross further south. Still we are getting caught up in minutiae and speculation here, let's enjoy the dive under for what it is - a rather innovative piece of engineering ... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted December 16, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 16, 2021 17 minutes ago, Richard E said: Isn't that in someones front 'garden'? If so I doubt it is anything to do with the Werrington works. Is there actually a brook there? One crosses under Hurn road on the other boundary of that property, where the new fence is. It's a newish house, where previously was a horses' paddock. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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