DJM Dave Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 Hi Everyone, Time has now come to my thoughts regarding another OO gauge locomotive, that if wanted will be Crowdfunded, much in the way that the class 71 was. However i need your votes to decide whether you want a new and accurate model of either the Class 86 or Class 87. Now, because of the amounts of slides etc needed for this loco for all the alternate front ends used on the UK Network up to the present day on the 86, the crowdfunded price will be a fair bit more.....add to this alternate bogies for as built and alternate roof parts for fire suppression, etc, this model will be more expensive than is usual. But, to sweeten the pot slightly i will put in all the expected bells and whistles, including, if you really want one, a metal pantograph (in the various styles, and i'm thinking motorised raising and lowering under DCC control too unless you all think its too much of a novelty? The model will feature in a few main liveries as the crowdfunded version including I/C, Virgin, Freightliner, Blue (as built), Blue as revised. The 87 by comparison will be cheaper but could include the motorised pantograph. See here for an example..... Please vote in the poll, and this proposed model (and cad/cam) will have full input on here or by PM from the membership. With the advent of the Peco catenary and the Bachmann 90, i feel there is a market for a state of the art 86 or 87 much in the way that i did when i designed the Class 52 western when one was already available. Anyway, i'm leaving this to you. if enough think its viable in the vote, then i will go with that. Please tell you friends, get them to vote too, and before long you could be having a state of the art 86 or 87 on your layouts Cheers Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold tetsudofan Posted July 2, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 2, 2016 Well, I started it off for voting for the Cl.87. Not because it will be cheaper than the Cl.87 but because I have some Cl.86s by another manufacturer....... Keith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted July 2, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 2, 2016 Well done again.I'll be the first to cast a vote. I saw the 25kv electrics from the very beginning from 1960 on. So it has to be an 86 from E3100 on in blue . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigd Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 Hurray, I actually wanted both, but voted for the 87, as there is no model to a modern standard, and on affordability. Please include the early blue livery in your selection. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold wombatofludham Posted July 2, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 2, 2016 Oh Dave, I've just had to change my underwear. I'd take either but....I have a sneaking suspicion that Bachmann might be going for the 87 after the 90, and we do not have any decent models of the Class 86 in current production, plus with over 100 of the things built, it has potentially a longer shelf life, so I plumped for an 86 even though it'll probably bankrupt me buying multiple versions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brenn Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 Vote both. I haven't bought the Heljan 86 as it is not a great model to my eye. However what i really what to know is will you resign if the vote doesn't go your way and will the losing side demand a re vote if they don't get the result they want? Dave be careful you may cause a split in the DEMU community and lets face it people called "Dave" don't have a great track record of (no matter how well intended) if giving the people what they want...... B Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJM Dave Posted July 2, 2016 Author Share Posted July 2, 2016 Vote both. I haven't bought the Heljan 86 as it is not a great model to my eye. However what i really what to know is will you resign if the vote doesn't go your way and will the losing side demand a re vote if they don't get the result they want? Dave be careful you may cause a split in the DEMU community and lets face it people called "Dave" don't have a great track record of (no matter how well intended) if giving the people what they want...... B Hi mate, A remote and cabinet reshuffle would be on the cards. No idea why DEMU could split mind you, but I know of some that for some reason, bear animosity.....but let's face it, they don't have to indulge in this if they don't like me, not everyone does. Lol But I've yet to see them grow a pair and do it themselves. Cheers Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reevesthecat Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 Cue the Hornby/ Bachmann announcement! Would like both but can't decide. I think I should vote 86 as duplication by another is less likely thanks to the Heljan version but I really want an 87. Can't we have a both button or which one first vote. What about the 89? Cheers Mark Ps am going for the 86 (for now)! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Davidjsmith Posted July 2, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 2, 2016 Got to be class 86 101 first choice but 86/2 & 86/0 needed to in BR BLUE !There were a couple of special livery,s too big yellow box on side cannot remember at the moment pictures at home! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 Oh Dave, I've just had to change my underwear. I'd take either but....I have a sneaking suspicion that Bachmann might be going for the 87 after the 90, and we do not have any decent models of the Class 86 in current production, plus with over 100 of the things built, it has potentially a longer shelf life, so I plumped for an 86 even though it'll probably bankrupt me buying multiple versions. Good point about Bachmann. The problems causing delays are being addressed and we might find things speeding up too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 What about the 89? Or a decent 92, for that matter? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted July 2, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 2, 2016 Hi Dave If you were to do a class 86 would the variations include a nice simple AL6 without all the Zebedee springs, but with white cab windies and roof, silver lion and a real number? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGR Hooper! Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 I'd like both, but I'd prefer DJM getting most models out first then going in for more (I'm aware a crowd funding route will work faster)...Sorry though, there's no way my dad is going to be convinced with pledging money. Best of luck with your venture .Will try my best though. So I will vote for both.Cheers! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJM Dave Posted July 2, 2016 Author Share Posted July 2, 2016 Got to be class 86 101 first choice but 86/2 & 86/0 needed to in BR BLUE !There were a couple of special livery,s too big yellow box on side cannot remember at the moment pictures at home! Are you thinking of the rain hill specials? They would make a nice limited multi pack I think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJM Dave Posted July 2, 2016 Author Share Posted July 2, 2016 Hi Dave If you were to do a class 86 would the variations include a nice simple AL6 without all the Zebedee springs, but with white cab windies and roof, silver lion and a real number? Yes, but probably printed number as getting them as individually applied metal digits would be problematical although I don't see a reason not to produce a sheep of etched numbers for you to stick on.A plate with numbers would be idea but I'm not sure about the join line around the panel and the body side. Www.traintesting.com shows some nice original 86 pics. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGR Hooper! Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 What about the 89? Yes I feel the Class 89 is a much better contender for a crowd funded project.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJM Dave Posted July 2, 2016 Author Share Posted July 2, 2016 I'd like both, but I'd prefer DJM getting most models out first then going in for more (I'm aware a crowd funding route will work faster)...Sorry though, there's no way my dad is going to be convinced with pledging money. Best of luck with your venture . Will try my best though. So I will vote for both. Cheers! I understand, but my own products are starting to appear, the original crowdfunding was successful and is about to appear and I have 2 Kernow products out plus a wealth of special editions through stockists coming with some already on a ship, So things are happening and that argument doesn't hold water I'm afraid. Like you, finances are tight at the moment, and these are what's holding my own products back, but I've made no bones about that situation. However a rolling crowdfunded model is a different matter altogether. Cheers Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJM Dave Posted July 2, 2016 Author Share Posted July 2, 2016 Yes I feel the Class 89 is a much better contender for a crowd funded project.... Hmmmmm 89? Love the loco but I prefer to do a model in more than 3 liveries, as there isn't a market for me otherwise, even though it's pretty much only 1 tool with no slides. Maybe later...........maybe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaneofFife Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 you feeling alright Dave? thought AC locos were well off your radar but I welcome the thread...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Hawkins Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 Dave, no need for a poll just produce the 86 AND the 87 you will be on a winner for sure matey. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJM Dave Posted July 2, 2016 Author Share Posted July 2, 2016 you feeling alright Dave? thought AC locos were well off your radar but I welcome the thread...... It was either the 86/87 or a Fell ;-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevelewis Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 I am not really into OHL 00 myself so the project so the proposal does not interest me, but I have an interest in Garden railways, on which we occasionally run Locos with motor driven pantographs, the usual format for these is directional raising of the 'correct' panto. in relation to the direction of travel ( should have said swiss practice ... the unoccupied cab usually has the raised pantograph in use) Some locos also have the digital ability to have both pantos. lowered when loco is parked. What I am getting at here is that they are all very nice, but after a while the pantograph raising/ lowering , just becomes an accepted thing on the locos and it really would not make any difference to the 'enjoyability' of using the locos if the Pantos. were manually controlled ( ie by hand!!) I believe the extra cost of providing 'driven' pantographs may diminish the potential volume of subscribers to the project But all the best of luck anyway! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 Hi mate, A remote and cabinet reshuffle would be on the cards.... ...along with backstabbing, implosion and mass resignations? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaneofFife Posted July 2, 2016 Share Posted July 2, 2016 Good point about Bachmann. The problems causing delays are being addressed and we might find things speeding up too. youd certainly expect so - its perfectly logical to think the 90 chassis would only require minor fettling to allow fitment of an 87 body. Ha.....they might do 86101, 102 and 103 instead. with the Heljan 86 being dead in the water (great chassis shame about the top bit) id say the AL6/Class 86 is the one you want Dave. So much scope for the construction variations, liveries, eras, 100 class members......special editions. Who wouldn't like to see 86 235 Novelty or 86 214 Sans Pareil in that great Rainhill trials livery? You've got stone faiveley, cross arm and brecknell willis pan designs......worlds your oyster. Almost too many possibilities but please no Heljan-esque pylon pantographs! Nice heavy chassis, accurate bodyshell, independent cab lights, independent corridor lights (unlike the Bachmann 85 which come on with both cab lights) and the usual front and rear lighting plus sprung buffers, BR blue and executive liveries.....where do I sign? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold wombatofludham Posted July 2, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 2, 2016 I vote no to the 89. A freak one off better suited to the Heljan business model of concentrating on freak prototypes that barely worked before exploding into oily shrapnel. Ugly as sin as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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