5050 Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 Croes Newedd CNYD BR 84J. From 1/1961 89B. From 9/1963 6C (LMR) Allocation 31/12/47 ( "A Historical Survey of Great Western Engine Sheds 1947" E.Lyons) 14XX...1401, 1411, 1416, 1428, 1457. 0-6-0 PT.. 1532, 1747, 1780, 283, 2184, 2188, 2190, 2704, 2716, 2717, 2744, 9556. The 64XX seem to have been more of a South Wales loco.....none at CNYD in 1947 it seems But 84J (CNYD) will get one if I have my way! They were, it seems for steeply graded branches, where the 14XX could be underpowered.... Also see here... http://www.railuk.info/steam/getshed.php?item=84J And here... http://shedbashuk.blogspot.co.uk/2014/08/croes-newydd-1938-1967.html AHA! The last link includes... Monday 6 August 1951 84J total: 31 14xx 0-4-2T 64xx 0-6-0PT 57xx 0-6-0PT 43xx 2-6-0 Grange 4-6-0 1410 84J 6404 84J 4617 84J 5307 84B 6841 6C Marlas Grange 1473 84J 6405 84J 4683 84J 5315 84J Manor 4-6-0 5810 84J 74xx 0-6-0PT 5700 84E 7313 84J 7826 84J Longworth Manor 5811 84J 7403 84J 5774 84J 2251 0-6-0 56xx 0-6-2T WD 2-8-0 51xx 2-6-2T 7409 84J 9793 84J 2228 84G 6611 84J 90214 84K 5179 84K 7433 84J 2181 0-6-0PT 2229 84G 6617 84J 7440 84J 2188 84J 3201 89C 6694 84J 7443 84J 6698 84J In my 1959 Locoshed book it shows 6404 and 6405 at Croesnewydd. Both of which I must have seen as they are underlined. BTW - where is 'the last link' in the previous post? It doesn't appear on my screen? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruffnut Thorston Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 And here... http://shedbashuk.bl...-1938-1967.html AHA! The last link includes... The Last Link is the Shedbash site, as copied above! I did add more last night as well! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted March 25, 2017 Author Share Posted March 25, 2017 Birthday boy had a day around Llangollen today! I am really looking forward to making a start on modelling this line in a week's time and so today was double barrelled as I also wanted to look around the goods shed and cattle dock at Carrog to work out how they functioned in steam days. It was meet Pippa Pig day so maybe this guaranteed I had the place to myself haha. A 4-car DMU was heaving with young parent and children so I guessed that was where Pippa was too. The train was at Glyndyfrdwy waiting the pass the service train The normal service was in the hands of a Black Five seen here at Berwyn. Some of the weathering had washed off, but the loco still looked BR steam-era, and all the better for it. A neat late 1950's period atmosphere near Corwen.... The black Class Five on my layout will be the Bachmann Stanier 2-6-0 version.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew P Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 Great set of Pics there Larry, thanks for posting them, and I'm really looking forward to seeing ''C'' in miniature coming to a Shed in Abergele soon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hal Nail Posted March 26, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 26, 2017 Great shots! Have you got a lineside pass or is access just particularly good? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted March 26, 2017 Author Share Posted March 26, 2017 Great shots! Have you got a lineside pass or is access just particularly good? I had a lineside pass from 1989 until they were withdrawn when the line was extended beyond Glyndyfrdwy in the mid 1990's. I do what I can without trespassing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Isambarduk Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 Very nice! "The owner of Black Five No. 45337 had the valves down three weeks ago" Next time she's in, perhaps they could look at that cylinder drain cock that has stuck open? David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Focalplane Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 Larry, some great filming yesterday. As you say, there is no such thing as a standard sound for any class of locomotive. I am still searching for a good alternative to the Digitrains' 4F to use in my Compound. The 4F sound has a non-standard beat which perfectly fits the class, many of which were in need of attention in their working lives. To have the exact same sounds coming from a Compound would seem odd, though at the end of their lives I am sure they were run down too, but not in exactly the same way. I wonder how much power the Back 5 was losing with that drain cock open? Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Holt Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 Next time she's in, perhaps they could look at that cylinder drain cock that has stuck open? David Looked more like the RH cylinder piston rod gland leaking, to me. Dave. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian@stenochs Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 Definitely left cylinder has one of the drain cocks failing to close. Ian. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruffnut Thorston Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 Pippa Pig? Should that by Peppa Pig? I noticed that the first coach behind the Black 5 had a coaching stock roundel? On Carmine and Cream?? Looks like we can have a 64XX each from CNYD! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted March 27, 2017 Author Share Posted March 27, 2017 BR roundel never put on blood & custard stock, so the livery is historically wrong. It's not as if information on liveries was hard to find, so I have given up on such matters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Focalplane Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 The various GW societies and heritage railways that run in the region always seem to be at loggerheads about liveries, paint colours, etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Focalplane Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 Yesterday my wife and I stopped at Carrog on the way to the North West Corner. The place looked empty but a door was slightly open and inside the booking office was the Station Master whose acquaintance we made. He is a native of Ffestiniog and has also worked on the West Highland Garratts. We then noticed that the Tea Room was open and chatted with the ladies. They remember you, Larry, measuring up the waiting room building on the opposite platform. I explained your intent and they asked what gauge you would be using! I can see why Carrog has become your current project. It is not only a beautiful location but the track layout and buildings have the perfect scale of a small country station with passing loop. We will be going back, probably when staying in Borth y Gest, so the logical starting place could be either Corwen or Carrog. I think it will be the latter, though. Wales is currently living up to its repuation for being Wild and Wet! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted March 30, 2017 Author Share Posted March 30, 2017 Thanks, I am flattered the staff remember me from the New Years Day measure-up. Martin Christie, who resides at Carrog, did a great restoration of 'his' station, so much so that it is easy to overlook the few small discrepancies between today and as things were 52 years ago. He pointed out that the Down platform waiting shelter is one row of bricks lower today.....I mean, who would spot that? There was an unsightly contraption attached to a platform lamp close by the main entrance hall that supported a cross-line telegraph wire which isn't there today. Today's "laws" dictate that platform surfaces slope away from tracks, not towards them for drainage, and so inboard drainageways had to be provided during re-surfacing and this left the platforms lamp bases exposed somewhat above the tar level. Another measurement intrigued me, which i won't go into, but it shows the amount of assistance that was freely given. The planned start on the new layout was always early April, but it depends on whether i complete the current client work on time or not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gismorail Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 I'm looking forward to this new layout Larry and will be checking for such details as number brick courses .....you know very well that someone would spot it on here ......There is a Carrog layout in the March issue of Railway Modeller in N gauge Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted March 30, 2017 Author Share Posted March 30, 2017 I think a new thread should be started for Carrog to keep all the new stuff together in one place. That is once work starts on it. I have been hoping the Peco bullhead points would become available and so the most likely start will be the boring stuff like digging holes and sinking posts for the north-facing garden extention. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gismorail Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 I think a new thread should be started for Carrog to keep all the new stuff together in one place. That is once work starts on it. I have been hoping the Peco bullhead points would become available and so the most likely start will be the boring stuff like digging holes and sinking posts for the north-facing garden extention. One would presume that this is alongside the west wing of Goddard Towers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
5050 Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 I believe that one of my uncles worked at Carrog before the war. He emigrated to USA and I only met him once when I was young. I had no idea of his GWR connections until relatively recently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PGH Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 I think a new thread should be started for Carrog to keep all the new stuff together in one place. That is once work starts on it. I have been hoping the Peco bullhead points would become available and so the most likely start will be the boring stuff like digging holes and sinking posts for the north-facing garden extention. So the new layout can start with a first sod cutting ceremony ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted March 31, 2017 Author Share Posted March 31, 2017 So the new layout can start with a first sod cutting ceremony ! Well put. Thank goodness I don't have to knock all the posts in that would have been required for an 0 gauge layout. Still got 3 engines, 2 coaches and 1 wagon to sell in 7mm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
5050 Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 Your uncle wouldn't need a time-machine today....All he needs is a plane ticket He'd need more than a plane ticket. He'd need a miracle! He died well over 20 years ago, still in the US. I don't know if he had any interest in railways. It was probably just a job for him at the time. One of my godfathers, however, was a Croes Newydd driver and must have driven through Carrog on countless occasions. He too, is no longer with us and for him also, it was 'just a job'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted April 11, 2017 Author Share Posted April 11, 2017 This thread has run it's course now. Sadly Oswestry in 0 gauge was never built and neither was Carrog. Despite being a small country station, Carrog is laid out on a curve that demands space and 7mm scale could not do it justice. A new layout thread entitled Carrog in 00 will be started. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
two tone green Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 Shame. See you in your smaller world. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve fay Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 Quality modelling shines through in any scale. It is a pity that it never happened in O as you was building up some nice stock. I'll be watching the new thread Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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