cal.n Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 Diesels are not allowed (under power) through the tunnel Doubt it would be motor, they don’t have motors! Remember that the 37/6 (of all things) was the proposed traction for diesel hauled nightstar services, and they were retained as rescue locos and did work in the tunnel. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
black and decker boy Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Remember that the 37/6 (of all things) was the proposed traction for diesel hauled nightstar services, and they were retained as rescue locos and did work in the tunnel. The 37/6s were traction for the nightstar in the regions away from OHLE not on HS1 or in the tunnel, that was class 92s. A few were used by Eurostar as rescue locos for a short period but only for HS1 and conventional 3rd rail routes. Rescue in the tunnel itself is by Eurotunnel locos which are also used along HS1 now (for example moving the La Poste TGV unit to St Pancras a few years back). If UK diesel locos have ever worked in the tunnel under power then it was incredibly rare and not a booked regular movement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium phil-b259 Posted March 14, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 14, 2018 ... and did work in the tunnel. No they did NOT! Please remember that nothing was/ is allowed past the NR / BR boundary unless it has TVM 430 in cab signalling installed. The 37/6 locos had no need for this as they would have handed over the Nightstar service to a class 92 loco in London for the run through Kent and through to Calais. The 37/6 locos retained by Eurostar were for rescue duties on the BR classic network were ditched when the second phase of HS1 was opened meaning that Eurostar would cease to use the conventional signaled UK rail network. Eurotunnel have their own fleet of diesel locos for rescue and maintenance purposes - fitted with TVN430 and which are also used on HS1 where diesel drags are required. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indomitable026 Posted March 18, 2018 Author Share Posted March 18, 2018 http://railcolornews.com/2018/03/12/uk-caf-mk-5a-coaches-for-the-transpennine-express-to-velim/ 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Goldfish Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 From memory, the only 'BR' diesel locos I can think of that entered the tunnel were some 20s using the big scrubber wagons during construction. After that, the 'krupps' used them before having smaller units fitted to the engines themselves. Pretty sure I have a picture of a 20 in the tunnel in a 'Euro Tunnel' book on a shelf somewhere. Never seen mention of the 37s getting in there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indomitable026 Posted March 23, 2018 Author Share Posted March 23, 2018 Further update on the coach testing https://m.railjournal.com/index.php/rolling-stock/transpennine-express-mk-5as-begin-testing-at-velim.html?channel=000 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pandora Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 I had a couple of rides today between Marylebone and Birmingham Moor Street behind the 68's, i was not the only enthusiast with the same idea too, I'm impressed by acceleration from station stops and acceleration in the between 90 to 100 mph range ( speedometer app on a mobile phone). I therefore look forward to the riding the 68's on the arduous gradients of the TPE route, the diesels may be Caterpilar , but the vigour shown by the locos is not. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 68019 and 68021 were at Frethun, en-route to Velim, last evening. Some photos on here:- https://lapassiondutrain.blogspot.co.uk/ No 37s have been through the Tunnel under their own power, though they, along with 56s and 58s, have been dragged through. The only UK diesel types to have gone through under their own power were some former Cardiff Valleys DMMUs, used to transport fitting-out crews before opening; they worked alongside an ex-SNCF 'Picasso' railcar. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pandora Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 (edited) I had a couple of rides today between Marylebone and Birmingham Moor Street behind the 68's, i was not the only enthusiast with the same idea too, I'm impressed by acceleration from station stops and acceleration in the between 90 to 100 mph range ( speedometer app on a mobile phone). I therefore look forward to the riding the 68's on the arduous gradients of the TPE route, the diesels may be Caterpilar , but the vigour shown by the locos is not. I looked up the technical specification of the 68, 3800 hp from the Caterpilar diesel engine May we consider the the 68 as the modern era "Super-Deltic" Edited March 25, 2018 by Pandora Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted March 29, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 29, 2018 68019 and 68021 were at Frethun, en-route to Velim, last evening. Some photos on here:- https://lapassiondutrain.blogspot.co.uk/ No 37s have been through the Tunnel under their own power, though they, along with 56s and 58s, have been dragged through. The only UK diesel types to have gone through under their own power were some former Cardiff Valleys DMMUs, used to transport fitting-out crews before opening; they worked alongside an ex-SNCF 'Picasso' railcar. According a well known news site, they've got no further than Frethun due to paperwork issues again Latest report is that they will return to the UK and find their way to Velim via road and ferry........ Cheers, Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 According a well known news site, they've got no further than Frethun due to paperwork issues again Latest report is that they will return to the UK and find their way to Velim via road and ferry........ Cheers, Mick I shall keep eyes and ears open; I'm working in Coquelles tomorrow morning, but I think it'll still be dark when I pass Frethun. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indomitable026 Posted March 30, 2018 Author Share Posted March 30, 2018 Testing... https://goo.gl/images/dNqq44 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 The two locos at Frethun are stabled, somewhat unusually, at the tunnel end of the headshunt of Frethun yard. Apart from rare occasions when a train has to be split, I can't think I've ever seen anything on these tracks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 4630 Posted April 2, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 2, 2018 Subject to the completion of staff training, TPE should start using top and tailed Class 68s and the former 'pretendelino' Mark 3s on some of the Liverpool Lime Street - Scarborough service from the commencement of the summer timetable. One of the rail forums is suggesting that the services to be operated by this combination, rather than the usual Class 185s, will start on 21st May with the 05.56 and the 06.56 services from Lime Street; http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/Y72120/2018/05/21/advanced http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/Y72124/2018/05/21/advanced It should be relatively easy to work out the diagrams for later each day from Real Time Trains. It's also been suggested that there won't be any loco-hauled workings at weekends, presumably until the Mark 5s become available later this year/next year. The usual caveats apply in that the above is given in good faith and that plans can change between now and the start of the new timetable - or even on the day ! 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peanuts Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 Unlike all the lorries that travel in open wagons through the tunnel? Same as ADR rules for hazardous goods 1000 litres of flammable liquid in a drum is ADR 1000 litres of fuel in a generator set or digger and its considered non ADR balmy cos if either fall off the back of my waggon there gonna make a mess and be a fire hazard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium DRS Crewe On A Mission Posted April 2, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 2, 2018 Subject to the completion of staff training, TPE should start using top and tailed Class 68s and the former 'pretendelino' Mark 3s on some of the Liverpool Lime Street - Scarborough service from the commencement of the summer timetable. One of the rail forums is suggesting that the services to be operated by this combination, rather than the usual Class 185s, will start on 21st May with the 05.56 and the 06.56 services from Lime Street; http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/Y72120/2018/05/21/advanced http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/Y72124/2018/05/21/advanced It should be relatively easy to work out the diagrams for later each day from Real Time Trains. It's also been suggested that there won't be any loco-hauled workings at weekends, presumably until the Mark 5s become available later this year/next year. The usual caveats apply in that the above is given in good faith and that plans can change between now and the start of the new timetable - or even on the day ! Thank you very much for posting these times. I will venture to Leeds Station to see these. So am I right in thinking that each diagram/service will consist of two 68s meaning that I will be able to see four 68s in Leeds within an hour or so? Also does SSuX mean that the trains operate Saturday and Sunday only? Thank you very much in advance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
62613 Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 Thank you very much for posting these times. I will venture to Leeds Station to see these. So am I right in thinking that each diagram/service will consist of two 68s meaning that I will be able to see four 68s in Leeds within an hour or so? Also does SSuX mean that the trains operate Saturday and Sunday only? Thank you very much in advance. Saturday and Sunday excepted, i.e., weekdays only Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 4630 Posted April 2, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 2, 2018 So am I right in thinking that each diagram/service will consist of two 68s meaning that I will be able to see four 68s in Leeds within an hour or so? Correct Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium DRS Crewe On A Mission Posted April 2, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 2, 2018 Saturday and Sunday excepted, i.e., weekdays only Thank you very much for the reply and for letting me know. I really appreciate it. That's brilliant. That gives me five days a week to see these trains and potential see more 68s working them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium DRS Crewe On A Mission Posted April 2, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 2, 2018 Correct Thank you very much for letting me know. I really appreciate it. That's brilliant. I will definitely be getting the train into Leeds so that I can see these services with the 68s on. Their a rarity in Leeds so I will be making the most of these opportunities. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray M Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 Thank you very much for letting me know. I really appreciate it. That's brilliant. I will definitely be getting the train into Leeds so that I can see these services with the 68s on. Their a rarity in Leeds so I will be making the most of these opportunities. Just for you. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium DRS Crewe On A Mission Posted April 3, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 3, 2018 Just for you. Thanks for sharing the brilliant photo. I missed this one but co-incidentally I have 005 in OO Gauge Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cal.n Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 Nice photo, what did the headboard say? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted April 3, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 3, 2018 Nice photo, what did the headboard say? Retro Railtours Ltd https://www.flickr.com/photos/99279135@N05/28190882615/in/photolist-JX8Dfg-SqSGQp-J46GSR-J1QQfi-J1FdKP-JNpb91-JXkDSK-J3GqiV-KfqVzf-JzcPBh-J25sfP-JQZAFM-JRamkH-JN7xA3-J1FcxZ-JZ4j3e-JxpGby-JMTHs3-K2P6nz-J3EgTJ-JMTKvw-MfK7p8-J3z4JJ-JMTLFh-JS2FWQ-Jwmrjm-J1yxNU-Jwej43-JxbZhJ-J2oYNB-JXyrFK-J1JGaH-JyZAV9-JMXbGN-JXMK2k-J1RTuc-JP41B9-JP3A1L-JX5bNp-JVZNRU-J3sdz2-JVQFPL-KE7PX1-KLBPKh-J1Wtkm-J8pWhB-J2JRDM-JV91Yu-JV91LW-JRfyV2/ 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 The two that went to France came back through the Tunnel last night to Cheriton, before being transferred on to low-loaders; I didn't see them, but one of my drivers told me, when he booked on at about 22:00 UK, that he'd just past them at the gates. It would appear that these locos didn't present a problem for ET, as they had crossed in both directions, but for the operators on the Mainland. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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