scots region Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 Now it’s January 2019, how can it be this hard for them? How is a cheap as chips, late Victorian good engine proving such a drawn out task for the oldest name in the business? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted October 29, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 29, 2018 Now it’s January 2019, how can it be this hard for them? How is a cheap as chips, late Victorian good engine proving such a drawn out task for the oldest name in the business? Could be delays at the factory, could be problems with the tooling machines, could be anything. Not specifically Hornbys problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black 5 Bear Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 (edited) Now it’s January 2019, how can it be this hard for them? How is a cheap as chips, late Victorian good engine proving such a drawn out task for the oldest name in the business? I suspect the TTS version will again lapse and the early BR and LNER versions arrive around the January 2019 period. Having seen the samples, I don't think we'll be disappointed and the wait will be worth it. Edited October 29, 2018 by Black 5 Bear Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sem34090 Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 A quick query relating to 'Maude'... in order to put this into pre-grouping condition, what is required besides the removal of the name? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Daddyman Posted November 6, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 6, 2018 A quick query relating to 'Maude'... in order to put this into pre-grouping condition, what is required besides the removal of the name? Removal of the rivets on the smokebox wrapper and front, removal of the star around the s.box dart, replacement of the safety valves with the lock-up variety (with a round base/surround). Not sure if they all had a Westinghouse or not. There'd be no vacuum brake either, which means the ejector pipe running along the left-hand side of the boiler above the handrail would have to go, as well as the connection hose on the b.beam. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold JohnR Posted November 6, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 6, 2018 Now it’s January 2019, how can it be this hard for them? How is a cheap as chips, late Victorian good engine proving such a drawn out task for the oldest name in the business? Could be delays at the factory, could be problems with the tooling machines, could be anything. Not specifically Hornbys problem. I'd rather they delay it a couple of months and get it right, rather than rush it out to meet an original deadline. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ngram Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 Removal of the rivets on the smokebox wrapper and front, removal of the star around the s.box dart, replacement of the safety valves with the lock-up variety (with a round base/surround). Not sure if they all had a Westinghouse or not. There'd be no vacuum brake either, which means the ejector pipe running along the left-hand side of the boiler above the handrail would have to go, as well as the connection hose on the b.beam. If I wanted one as they were in WW1 oin the ROD which of the models is closest and what would need to be done to it? (not paint as I would repaint and decal it if necessary anyway) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scots region Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 If I wanted one as they were in WW1 oin the ROD which of the models is closest and what would need to be done to it? (not paint as I would repaint and decal it if necessary anyway) Can’t tell what would be needed exactly, my ROD book only has one photo, no high enough quality. Though just having a quick shufty at the samples, I’d say the LNER one, 722, would be close enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sem34090 Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 Do we think that perhaps the LNER one is the best option for the pre-grouping modeller? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scots region Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 Can I ask, why does Maude have a riveted smokebox, wouldn't a welded one be better? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 Can I ask, why does Maude have a riveted smokebox, wouldn't a welded one be better? Because the real one has a rivetted smokebox? I don't think any had a welded smokebox. Those that were flush was due to using countersunk rivets. Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scots region Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 Because the real one has a rivetted smokebox? I don't think any had a welded smokebox. Those that were flush was due to using countersunk rivets. Jason Ahh, that'll be it then. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Daddyman Posted November 6, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 6, 2018 T Do we think that perhaps the LNER one is the best option for the pre-grouping modeller? This would by my guess, though without good photos of the model it's hard to say. It certainly seems to have the necessary flush smokebox and no vacuum ejector, and has a Westinghouse. It will just depend on how easily the red lining comes off, and whether your exact pre-grouping period requires the NBR lining as seen on Maude. Yeadon says that by 1923 an increasing number of NBR goods engines were in unlined black. If I was going for early period pre-grouping I'd go for Maude and patch-paint after removing/adding features. If later period pre-grouping, I'd use 722, with all lining and lettering removed. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted November 6, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 6, 2018 If I was going for early period pre-grouping I'd go for Maude and patch-paint after removing/adding features. If later period pre-grouping, I'd use 722, with all lining and lettering removed. I'm puzzled by this distinction since the Hornby model can only represent a rebuilt engine, i.e. at the very earliest post 1913. If that's not late pre-Grouping I don't know what is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Daddyman Posted November 7, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 7, 2018 I'm puzzled by this distinction since the Hornby model can only represent a rebuilt engine, i.e. at the very earliest post 1913. If that's not late pre-Grouping I don't know what is. Sorry, I thought it was obvious that I meant early in the pre-grouping lives of the J36 - i.e. when they were lined. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pH Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 If I was going for early period pre-grouping I'd go for Maude and patch-paint after removing/adding features. If later period pre-grouping, I'd use 722, with all lining and lettering removed. I'm puzzled by this distinction since the Hornby model can only represent a rebuilt engine, i.e. at the very earliest post 1913. If that's not late pre-Grouping I don't know what is. Sorry, I thought it was obvious that I meant early in the pre-grouping lives of the J36 - i.e. when they were lined. I think there may be confusion here about time periods. As Compound2632 says, the Hornby model is of a rebuilt J36 (NBR Class C). The first engine was rebuilt in 1913. However, the first Class C was built in 1888 and at that time, they looked like this: https://railway-photography.smugmug.com/LNER-Scotland/Holmes-Locomotives/Holmes-Tender-Engines/Holme-J36/Holmes-J36-0-6-0-NBR-LNER-Days/i-djTwfcx/A so the model can only represent members of the class in the later stages of its pre-grouping existence. However, if "early in the pre-grouping life" means "in the life of the rebuilt engines", then Daddyman is correct. The early rebuilds were lined, later ones may not have been. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrel Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 Email from hattons in the last hour. Estimated to arrive December 2018 or in other words this month. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathonAG Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 Believe it is just the BR livery version that is due soon in December from Hornby, with the NBR and LNER versions still cited for a January 2019 release. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Legend Posted December 12, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 12, 2018 Great . Had an NBR one on order but just ordered a BR black one from Hattons . 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oliver Rails Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 (edited) INCOMING Hornby! The following items (including R3622 Haig) have arrived at Hornby HQ and we expect to take delivery next week: https://railsofsheffield.com/groups/2541/incoming-Hornby Edited December 13, 2018 by Oliver Rails 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Legend Posted December 13, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 13, 2018 Wow she looks lovely . I think the first pure Scottish Locomotive (if you count the D11 as a GCR derivative) since the Hornby Caley Pug in 1980. Been a long time coming! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 The J36 looks very fine, as is typical of pre-group design origin 0-6-0s. Here's hoping it flies and encourage production of more lovely items from Scotland. No shortage of good subjects. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckymucklebackit Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 Trying to find out when we will be seeing Haig, Rails of Sheffield are advising that it will be in stock "this week", but on the Hornby website have changed the status from pre-order to "out of stock" - sold out already? Mine is on order from Hattons and they have advised "We are due to receive this very soon however, we do not have a specific date at the moment." Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Legend Posted December 17, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 17, 2018 I've got a foot in both camps with Maude from Rails and Haig from Hattons . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vitalspark Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 Advised by email that my late crest will be delivered by DPD tomorrow Wed19th. Pressy from the missus so I won't be able to open it for a week! Dave. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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