TMC announce NER G5 0-4-4T

[JaymzHatstand]

2 hours ago, drmditch said:

I do have a D&S brass kit for an NER brake-composite driver. This will need some practice of my soldering skills. These were re-used by the LNER in the 1930

 

And livery wise, it'll be nice and easy, by then it would most likely have been plain brown, which is what my D&S clerestory will be in eventually!

 

Quite an involved kit, but certainly looks lovely as it goes together (slowly)

 

 

Cheers

 

J

[thetalkinlens]

2 hours ago, drmditch said:

As far as I am aware, the NER didn't use the Class O for push-pull workings. That was what they used the BTPs for.

 

Correct, 19 G5's were fitted with push/pull gear between December 1937 and February 1945. Then two more were push/pull fitted by British Railways.

[JaymzHatstand]

42 minutes ago, thetalkinlens said:

 

Correct, 19 G5's were fitted with push/pull gear between December 1937 and February 1945. Then two more were push/pull fitted by British Railways.

 

And yet, the main thing I've seen regarding the G5s, mainly elsewhere, is mention of push-pull working. I fully appreciate that it is a somewhat novel and interesting operational procedure, and many people aren't concerned with accuracy, but sometimes it seems, that creates its own problems with a lack of available rolling stock being key in this instance.

 

I don't have a problem with people enjoying their railway modelling in their own way, we all have different aspects that we focus on, and that's part of what makes for such a diverse and fascinating hobby. 

 

I wouldn't dream of criticising someone for wanting to run their G5 as a push pull loco, as I said, it makes for a change to regular workings, but I would personally hope that any manufacturer looking at RTR NER stock would concentrate on the more run-of-the-mill carriages first, as they would be much more useful!

 

Cheers

 

J

[Jol Wilkinson]

8 hours ago, thetalkinlens said:

There are a number of 3D print NER coaches listed here:
http://www.rue-d-etropal.com/3D-printing/passenger-stock-lner/3d_printed_ner-coaches.htm

 

They are available to purchase through Shapeways. This is where I become hesitant! I have heard that the quality of printing from Shapeways can be quite poor and I've not seen any of these from the links above out in the wild so to speak, so have nothing to judge on how good they a might be.

I wouldn't ever  recommend them. My one and only experience of a Shapeways product was very poor, a LNWR van with vertical striations across the planking, especially at the ends.  The images on the Shapeways site are all digital images, not what you actually get. The prices are often high for what you get, the NER  D162 Driving trailer costing $92.00 (plus whatever Shapeways charge for P&P, etc.). compared to other 3D printed product suppliers (Mousa Models, Isinglass, etc.)

[Barry O]

I have a small pile of D&S kits to build to go with my Class O. They are next up 8n the build pile.

Baz

[micklner]

Langley did/do a NER Clerestory Autocar, I just tried there site and got a security warning , have they shutdown?.

 

Very overpriced and a very poor kit, only for the desperate !!

 

One for Rapido I think (please).

[Compound2632]

11 minutes ago, micklner said:

One for Rapido I think (please).

 

To do with their BTP...

[5Dublo2]

32 minutes ago, micklner said:

Langley did/do a NER Clerestory Autocar, I just tried there site and got a security warning , have they shutdown?.

No idea if they have shutdown, but that security warning is because the certificate that is used by the https processes that secure your connection to the site has expired (Such digital certificates have a built in expiration) . Their IT team need to renew it. In the meantime it is up to you to decide if you want to bypass that warning and still access their website or not 

[Compound2632]

Just now, 5Dublo2 said:

Their IT team need to renew it. 

 

I'm trying to imagine Langley Miniature Models' IT team! 

[5Dublo2]

40 minutes ago, Compound2632 said:

 

I'm trying to imagine Langley Miniature Models' IT team! 

 

I have often wandered how small companies (that are themselves not IT specialists) handle some of the more challenging areas of IT - I suspect they outsource in some way to a local (to them) IT specialist

For this kind of issue companies should really be setting a reminder in advance of the expiration (in the same way that someone who owns a car in the UK has to plan for MOT tests in advance of the expiration)

Having checked a little more, their certificate only expired 3 days ago, so best guess is no one set a reminder and it is easy to miss without a reminder

Edited July 3, 2023 by 5Dublo2

[Compound2632]

12 minutes ago, 5Dublo2 said:

Having checked a little more, their certificate only expired 3 days ago, so best guess is no one set a reminder and it is easy to miss without a reminder

 

Better write them a letter to point this out. Now where's my fountain pen?

[Bucoops]

You used to be able to get certificates with a validity of up to 5 years, but the big boys including Google have pushed for shorter-  currently the maximum is 1 year, but they are pushing for 90 days now. Fine for companies with IT departments but small businesses are going to be hit. There are free options such as "Let's encrypt" for which sites can be configured to auto-renew but again someone has to know how to do that.

[micklner]

1 hour ago, 5Dublo2 said:

No idea if they have shutdown, but that security warning is because the certificate that is used by the https processes that secure your connection to the site has expired (Such digital certificates have a built in expiration) . Their IT team need to renew it. In the meantime it is up to you to decide if you want to bypass that warning and still access their website or not 

Firefox do not give that option , it simply says avoid.

 

The owner has been trying to sell up for long time, perhaps he has finally managed it.

[woodenhead]

27 minutes ago, micklner said:

Firefox do not give that option , it simply says avoid.

 

The owner has been trying to sell up for long time, perhaps he has finally managed it.

You just select advanced and then it lets you accept the risk and proceed to the web page

[thetalkinlens]

Returning to the TMC/Bachmann model, a few people have noted to me the bunker on the NER versions are solid plastic rather than open between the rails.

 

I believe TMC/Bachmann have got this detail right. Quoting from North Eastern Express issue 119 which features a detailed article about the Class O / G5's:

 

Quote

"To prevent spillage of small coal the rails were very soon filled in with steel backing plates".

 

There is a photo of the original No.2093 in NER livery dated August 1924, so just after grouping, but not repainted yet. The three rail bunker does look to have the backing plate as per the model.

[Barry O]

39 minutes ago, thetalkinlens said:

Returning to the TMC/Bachmann model, a few people have noted to me the bunker on the NER versions are solid plastic rather than open between the rails.

 

I believe TMC/Bachmann have got this detail right. Quoting from North Eastern Express issue 119 which features a detailed article about the Class O / G5's:

 

 

There is a photo of the original No.2093 in NER livery dated August 1924, so just after grouping, but not repainted yet. The three rail bunker does look to have the backing plate as per the model.

Do the same people look at other offerings? They would have a duck fit with the Fell...

 

Baz

[Barry O]

And the Bachmann design boss is a P4 North Eastern Modeller..  just saying..

 

Baz

[Flying Pig]

10 minutes ago, Barry O said:

Do the same people look at other offerings? They would have a duck fit with the Fell...

 

Baz

 

Have you seen the response of the peanut gallery to Sam's review of the model?  He got one that was badly assembled or damaged in transit and the crowd are turning purple.

[Barry O]

3 minutes ago, Flying Pig said:

 

Have you seen the response of the peanut gallery to Sam's review of the model?  He got one that was badly assembled or damaged in transit and the crowd are turning purple.

Don't bother with Sam's reviews. If he builds a decent layout  perhaps I may do.. but....

[curlypaws]

I guess that he has to review it as he finds it, but it does seem that he got either a damaged or poorly assembled locomotive. My G5 is in BR Black and the boiler join is pretty much invisible.

 

It was a shame that he also did his typical rant about Bachmann's pricing throughout the review. It is a TMC Exclusive and therefore will have a more limited market. And given the many strengths he noted, I don't consider the price to be unreasonable for what is a very nice model indeed.

[Flying Pig]

13 minutes ago, curlypaws said:

I guess that he has to review it as he finds it, but it does seem that he got either a damaged or poorly assembled locomotive. My G5 is in BR Black and the boiler join is pretty much invisible.

 

 

With that kind of fault he could and should have contacted the supplier before publishing and perhaps other purchasers, to put the issues with his model in context. However, his channel thrives by making a certain sector of the hobby feel hard done by, so I'm sure he knew exactly what he was doing.

 

I still find his reviews useful as they are well photographed and his practice of partly disassembling the model shows details of construction that otherwise wouldn't be obvious.  You just have to view them in the light of other people's experience and tune out some of what he says.  And only read the comments for entertainment.

[micklner]

Sams interesting review. He also says the Dome is a different colour.

The lastest idea of placing Dome, Chimneys and Safety  Valves into insets in the body are clearly poor designed/made . The Oxford J27 had the same method used, and when looked at close up are just as poor . The big problem is the Green Colour as it exaggerates any faults. The similar size gaps on the J27 were hardly visible on a Black Loco from a normal viewing distance.

[Barry O]

No gaps on mine and the dome isn't as shiny as the boiler but I have car polished it.. no problemo..

 

Baz

Edited July 3, 2023 by Barry O

[adb968008]

One way of establishing NER green would be a paint chip off a real loco.

 

eg. When 60008 was being repainted for the great gathering in 2013, during rubbing down, original LNER green was found on the wheels.

whilst the exposed side of the chip would be subject to degredation, the inside of the chip touching the wheel would be unexposed.

 

The same is probably true for some of the older preserved NER locos in the national collection that may not have had such thorough rub downs during repainting decades ago.

 

NER Railwayana may be the same.

Edited July 4, 2023 by adb968008

[micklner]

At Shildon.