RMweb Gold Accurascale Fran Posted November 7, 2018 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted November 7, 2018 Fran, I model 1975 which is right on the changeover from preTOPS to TOPS. In your research have you been able to identify when the change was made to most of the fleet so I can buy the right versions or mix of versions? Cheers Hi WaveyDavey, Looking at our research material up to a quarter of the cemflo rake was in pre TOPS condition still, albeit heavily weathered. So you could conceivably mix pre TOPS and TOPS wagons to cover this period. Hope this is of help! Fran Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 (edited) Thanks for the post. I,ve been thinking about ordering more and mixing tops and pre-tops because I,d like some to have blue circle stamped on the sides. To help me calculate the biggest train I can fit on my layout, do we know how long a rake of 10 would be please? Edited November 9, 2018 by JSpencer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish_R_M Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 To help me calculate the biggest train I can fit on my layout, do we know how long a rake of 10 would be please? 1166.2 mm, or a touch under 3' 10" in old money. HTH RM. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted November 10, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 10, 2018 1166.2 mm, or a touch under 3' 10" in old money. HTH RM. In my maths... thats about 4 mk1’s.. plus a wagon. :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 You just know that the 0.2mm on the end of the measurement is going to be a HUGE problem. I'm not expecting the Cemflos to be made 0.02mm underscale though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted November 10, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 10, 2018 You just know that the 0.2mm on the end of the measurement is going to be a HUGE problem. I'm not expecting the Cemflos to be made 0.02mm underscale though. If you're that worried, don't forget to factor coupling slop into the equation too! Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 If you're that worried, don't forget to factor coupling slop into the equation too! Mike. Couplings can be squashed. I'm sure I'll squeeze out 0.2mm if required. The 0.2mm statement I made was intended as a joke. Curious to know what Accurascale's Warley announcement will be. Once known, in will go my order with or without the new announcement depending on how suitable it is for my interests. With the PCAs and Cemflos, we might just have another Cement item to go with them (there are some old Hornby, Dapol, Lima items just waiting for an expert retool for a start). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted November 11, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 11, 2018 (edited) Couplings can be squashed. I'm sure I'll squeeze out 0.2mm if required. The 0.2mm statement I made was intended as a joke. Curious to know what Accurascale's Warley announcement will be. Once known, in will go my order with or without the new announcement depending on how suitable it is for my interests. With the PCAs and Cemflos, we might just have another Cement item to go with them (there are some old Hornby, Dapol, Lima items just waiting for an expert retool for a start). its a leader... and a 10800 to follow :-) then DHP1 Edited November 11, 2018 by adb968008 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 its a leader... and a 10800 to follow :-) then DHP1 I suspect we will see the turf burner before those! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Accurascale Fran Posted November 11, 2018 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted November 11, 2018 its a leader... and a 10800 to follow :-) then DHP1 I bet some fell for that.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 I bet some fell for that. The devil's touch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBAGE Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 I bet some fell for that.... A Fell? Or a wild goose chase? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Accurascale Fran Posted November 11, 2018 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted November 11, 2018 A Fell? Or a wild goose chase? All will be revealed in less than two weeks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staffordshire Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 10800 as mentioned .......... 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 Dumb question to maybe allow us to return back to topic.... Did the PCAs and Cemflo's ever run in the same train together? I suspect not as I have not found a single photo of such even if they were used in the same areas. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Bucoops Posted November 12, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 12, 2018 A Fell? Or a wild goose chase? Ooh a spruce goose? Branching into aircraft now? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrushVeteran Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 Dumb question to maybe allow us to return back to topic.... Did the PCAs and Cemflo's ever run in the same train together? I suspect not as I have not found a single photo of such even if they were used in the same areas. Without checking I believe that they both had incompatible braking systems. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 Without checking I believe that they both had incompatible braking systems. Ah yes, I'd forgotten about that. As built Cemflo's must have been vacuum braked to be steam hauled. The PCAs would have been air braked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted November 12, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 12, 2018 Dumb question to maybe allow us to return back to topic.... Did the PCAs and Cemflo's ever run in the same train together? I suspect not as I have not found a single photo of such even if they were used in the same areas. Without checking I believe that they both had incompatible braking systems. Ah yes, I'd forgotten about that. As built Cemflo's must have been vacuum braked to be steam hauled. The PCAs would have been air braked. I think the TOPS classification gives the game away, PCA & PCV. Mike. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swindon 123 Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 Dumb question to maybe allow us to return back to topic.... Did the PCAs and Cemflo's ever run in the same train together? I suspect not as I have not found a single photo of such even if they were used in the same areas. Without checking I believe that they both had incompatible braking systems. Ah yes, I'd forgotten about that. As built Cemflo's must have been vacuum braked to be steam hauled. The PCAs would have been air braked. The very first batches of PCA's built, were air braked vacuum piped, so could run with Cemflo's, although they couldn't be the last 3 vehicles in the train. Blue Circle had a batch of Depressed Center PCA's built to Dia PC006B, Nos 9066-75, in 1969. Other were built as early as 1966. The link below is to one of David Fords photos on his Flickr site, (and I'm sure it has also appeared on his Dave F's topic on this site), shows thee PCA's, possibly from the batch above, in the middle of the train. They are very noticable as they tower over the Cemflo's, so running them together did happen. For complete fullness of info, they would have appeared a PCB's if the vacuum pipe lasted until TOPS came in. https://flic.kr/p/QheK1V Paul J. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 The very first batches of PCA's built, were air braked vacuum piped, so could run with Cemflo's, although they couldn't be the last 3 vehicles in the train. Blue Circle had a batch of Depressed Center PCA's built to Dia PC006B, Nos 9066-75, in 1969. Other were built as early as 1966. The link below is to one of David Fords photos on his Flickr site, (and I'm sure it has also appeared on his Dave F's topic on this site), shows thee PCA's, possibly from the batch above, in the middle of the train. They are very noticable as they tower over the Cemflo's, so running them together did happen. For complete fullness of info, they would have appeared a PCB's if the vacuum pipe lasted until TOPS came in. https://flic.kr/p/QheK1V Paul J. These are the PCBs - but note all my photos are post the rebuilding of the suspension with Bruninghaus springs. https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/apcmdepressedpcb. There were parallel barrel PCBs as well https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/cementpcb Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBAGE Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 (edited) I had no idea that these depressed centre PCB's were built so early. What was the original livery and what routes would they have been used on? Sorry, off topic a bit. Edited November 12, 2018 by RBAGE Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 (edited) I had no idea that these depressed centre PCB's were built so early. What was the original livery and what routes would they have been used on? Sorry, off topic a bit. The prototype built for APCM was painted all over "Blue Circle" yellow much like the original APCM presflo's. Somewhere, I have an article on it's construction. P Edited November 12, 2018 by Porcy Mane Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBAGE Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 The prototype built for APCM was painted all over "Blue Circle" yellow much like the original APCM presflo's. Somewhere, I have an article on it's construction. P Sounds awful. When did they acquire something a little less .... err ... yellow? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 (edited) First photo I,ve found of a Cemflo mixed with presflo. Note the Clayton too. https://www.flickr.com/photos/irishswissernie/27878946077/in/photolist-j7z2fo-qZAE1o-aWNAeX-dwz699-26TuDhJ-25gqHqm-JtyTo6-Jm8z4T-JmaCu6-26UF7ym-26CQm9g-a6mgf6-fFX8Qe-5TCwAR-25ffLsj-KS9sjm-26BqCGR-25ebAUA-2ae8hF2-DkZx8o-CqVaJK-2bxny3C-2ae8irR-284ypCo-JatsTP-2bxnxyG-Rt2Cho-28mnHr7 From research, I get the impression that they left south east as quickly as PCAs appeared. Would anyone know if that is correct? Starting to think pretops is more suited for the south east which can then run with green 33s and steam locos. Edit: some sources suggest until 1975 for the south east. Edited November 13, 2018 by JSpencer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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