Warren Branch

[chuffinghell]

27 minutes ago, MrWolf said:

You're right, nature's messy, it doesn't do herbaceous borders 

I’m more than happy to leave it alone without any foliage, one less thing to do.

 

hope I’ve not gone overboard with the weathering at the base because if I have I’m knackered 

[chuffinghell]

Anyway I’m looking at doing something like this for lowering the signal without having to modify the inner workings

 

 

then buried in a rectangular hole in the baseboard……in theory!

 

Edited August 10, 2021 by chuffinghell

[Alister_G]

57 minutes ago, chuffinghell said:

hope I’ve not gone overboard with the weathering at the base because if I have I’m knackered 

 

No the weathering looks fine mate.

 

Al.

[MrWolf]

No panic, the bridge has a very convincing level of filth in my opinion.

[chuffinghell]

I do worry about the silliest of things 

[Bogie]

Yes, yes you do.

[chuffinghell]

It’s a bit crude but here’s a mock-up

 

 

 

 

 

[5BarVT]

Looks good.

Paul.

[chuffinghell]

It’s 50mm (12’ 6”) top of rail to centre of the lamp, is that okay?

 

 

I’ve got to trim off the silly rings around the post, repaint it and paint the bottom of the post black but it should work and be clearly seen from the other side of the road bridge, I need to reduce the arm to 4’ too

 

I don’t intend on having the signal coming up through the track before anyone says anything 

 

Edited August 10, 2021 by chuffinghell

[Alister_G]

Could you cut the top off the post and extend it, so it looks like a normal size post but with the signal low down?

 

Al.

[chuffinghell]

13 minutes ago, Alister_G said:

Could you cut the top off the post and extend it, so it looks like a normal size post but with the signal low down?

 

Al.

possibly, I take it doing what I’d done isn’t correct?

[Alister_G]

Just now, chuffinghell said:

possibly, I take it doing what I’d done isn’t correct?

 

I certainly wouldn't say it's not correct, what you have done is great, it's just a feeling that they wouldn't have a stunted signal post, it just feels wrong to me. But I'm not in any way a signalling expert, nor a GWR expert.

 

Try a mockup as you have done before both ways and see what you think.

 

Al.

[chuffinghell]

8 minutes ago, Alister_G said:

I'm not in any way a signalling expert, nor a GWR expert.

Me neither, I’ve tried to find photos of shortened signals but unsuccessful.

[chuffinghell]

20 minutes ago, Alister_G said:

I'm not in any way a signalling expert, nor a GWR expert.

This might help me and maybe interesting for others

 

https://www.wizardmodels.ltd/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/s4_kw1.pdf

 

I'll print it off tomorrow, trying to read it on my phone is difficult with tired eyes 

[Alister_G]

I think we need input from someone who knows what they are talking about, maybe @Stationmaster or someone similar.

 

Al.

[St Enodoc]

6 hours ago, chuffinghell said:

It’s 50mm (12’ 6”) top of rail to centre of the lamp, is that okay?

Yes.

 

When you've got the paint brushes out, make the stripes on the arms wider - scale 8" or 3mm is near enough.

[Stubby47]

This is a short signal at Truro, note the ladder is at the front.

https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cornwallrailwaysociety.org.uk%2Fuploads%2F7%2F6%2F8%2F3%2F7683812%2F097-180402j-truro-signal-box-with-its-connection-to-the-goods-yard-undated-courtesy-mike-hitchens-collection-used-8th-may-2018_1_orig.jpg&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cornwallrailwaysociety.org.uk%2Ftruro-area-penwithers-to-buckshead.html&tbnid=VxqLo57nJN1ngM&vet=12ahUKEwintYjcoqjyAhVS3RoKHbxgCKcQMygLegUIARCYAg..i&docid=kA-X6dh2pcJ7UM&w=1100&h=747&q=truro signal&client=ms-android-samsung-ga-rev1&ved=2ahUKEwintYjcoqjyAhVS3RoKHbxgCKcQMygLegUIARCYAg

[chuffinghell]

6 hours ago, St Enodoc said:

Yes.

 

When you've got the paint brushes out, make the stripes on the arms wider - scale 8" or 3mm is near enough.

I think I’ve got to make it shorter too (4’) because it’s under 26’ 

 

3 hours ago, Stubby47 said:

This is a short signal at Truro, note the ladder is at the front.

https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cornwallrailwaysociety.org.uk%2Fuploads%2F7%2F6%2F8%2F3%2F7683812%2F097-180402j-truro-signal-box-with-its-connection-to-the-goods-yard-undated-courtesy-mike-hitchens-collection-used-8th-may-2018_1_orig.jpg&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cornwallrailwaysociety.org.uk%2Ftruro-area-penwithers-to-buckshead.html&tbnid=VxqLo57nJN1ngM&vet=12ahUKEwintYjcoqjyAhVS3RoKHbxgCKcQMygLegUIARCYAg..i&docid=kA-X6dh2pcJ7UM&w=1100&h=747&q=truro signal&client=ms-android-samsung-ga-rev1&ved=2ahUKEwintYjcoqjyAhVS3RoKHbxgCKcQMygLegUIARCYAg

 

Thanks Stu 

 

Edited August 11, 2021 by chuffinghell

[St Enodoc]

11 minutes ago, chuffinghell said:

I think I’ve got to make it shorter too (4’) because it’s under 21’

The 4ft refers to the arm itself (the red bit) not the whole thing. You will be fine as it is.

[St Enodoc]

53 minutes ago, Stubby47 said:

This is a short signal at Truro, note the ladder is at the front.

https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cornwallrailwaysociety.org.uk%2Fuploads%2F7%2F6%2F8%2F3%2F7683812%2F097-180402j-truro-signal-box-with-its-connection-to-the-goods-yard-undated-courtesy-mike-hitchens-collection-used-8th-may-2018_1_orig.jpg&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cornwallrailwaysociety.org.uk%2Ftruro-area-penwithers-to-buckshead.html&tbnid=VxqLo57nJN1ngM&vet=12ahUKEwintYjcoqjyAhVS3RoKHbxgCKcQMygLegUIARCYAg..i&docid=kA-X6dh2pcJ7UM&w=1100&h=747&q=truro signal&client=ms-android-samsung-ga-rev1&ved=2ahUKEwintYjcoqjyAhVS3RoKHbxgCKcQMygLegUIARCYAg

I think the ladder's at the front because the signal's so close to the level crossing.

 

There's another here with the ladder at the back as usual:

 

http://www.cornwallrailwaysociety.org.uk/uploads/7/6/8/3/7683812/202-hst-stabled-at-truro-13-42-17th-april-2017-copyright-mike-paterson_1_orig.jpg

[Izzy]

There is I think nothing wrong with a short signal at footplate/cab type height. But I would query - sorry - it’s placement directly behind a bridge without a taller repeater. What I mean is that I think, but am not sure, that this would be a very tall signal with an arm above the bridge and sighted from the other side, with the lower arm connected together for close sighting. You often see signals like this on long open stretches of mainline. Tall one for early warning, lower for when near.

[St Enodoc]

30 minutes ago, Izzy said:

There is I think nothing wrong with a short signal at footplate/cab type height. But I would query - sorry - it’s placement directly behind a bridge without a taller repeater. What I mean is that I think, but am not sure, that this would be a very tall signal with an arm above the bridge and sighted from the other side, with the lower arm connected together for close sighting. You often see signals like this on long open stretches of mainline. Tall one for early warning, lower for when near.

Not so common on the Western or on branch lines though. What Chris is doing will look fine from a model railway perspective. The non-existent off-stage banner repeater solves the sighting question.

[5BarVT]

1 hour ago, St Enodoc said:

I think the ladder's at the front because the signal's so close to the level crossing.

Correct!

Paul.

[5BarVT]

38 minutes ago, Izzy said:

There is I think nothing wrong with a short signal at footplate/cab type height. But I would query - sorry - it’s placement directly behind a bridge without a taller repeater. What I mean is that I think, but am not sure, that this would be a very tall signal with an arm above the bridge and sighted from the other side, with the lower arm connected together for close sighting. You often see signals like this on long open stretches of mainline. Tall one for early warning, lower for when near.

Had it not been a terminus, I would have been uneasy about the poor sighting.  With a speed limit of no more than 15mph as it is a terminus the sighting would be good enough, especially if the gradient were gently down towards the station.  (Cue suitable gradient marker Chris!)

5 minutes ago, St Enodoc said:

Not so common on the Western or on branch lines though. What Chris is doing will look fine from a model railway perspective. The non-existent off-stage banner repeater solves the sighting question.

Hadn’t thought about co-acting signals being less common on (G)WR: interesting!  So reflecting on that, I can think of a number of places where GWR put in banner signals to give advance warning of the position of a poorly sighted signal.  Wolverhampton Low Level (the basis for Heath Town) has two, although co-acting arms wouldn’t have helped in either case there.

Paul.

[chuffinghell]

2 hours ago, St Enodoc said:

The 4ft refers to the arm itself (the red bit) not the whole thing. You will be fine as it is.

 

Thanks for that

 

EDIT having measured the arm it measures 16mm(ish) so it's already 4' long. Good job I'd not already hacked at it 

 

Edited August 11, 2021 by chuffinghell
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