timbowilts Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 The Pullman makes quite a contrast with the rail mounted gun behind it! Tim T Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted July 21, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 21, 2018 they look fantastic Darius, well done to you. It's nice to see a livery not modelled so much (as well as these vehicles of course). The initial pics (no lettering) show how the white lettered livery suffered from being a bit bland - but the blue 'PULLMAN' and the small crests really lift the livery to looking really classy. I can understand BR wanting the official typeface being used, esp. as the Pullman slab letters were maybe seen as too old-fashioned, but having white bog-standard letters on luxury coaches was never going to look great. I'm not sure having Blue BR lettering would've been much better for conveying the special status of the trains, but at least they would've been readable! Maybe if they'd put 'Inter-City Pullman'? Anyway, can't wait to see the full rake behind an appropriate AC loco Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Darius43 Posted July 22, 2018 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted July 22, 2018 they look fantastic Darius, well done to you.It's nice to see a livery not modelled so much (as well as these vehicles of course). The initial pics (no lettering) show how the white lettered livery suffered from being a bit bland - but the blue 'PULLMAN' and the small crests really lift the livery to looking really classy.I can understand BR wanting the official typeface being used, esp. as the Pullman slab letters were maybe seen as too old-fashioned, but having white bog-standard letters on luxury coaches was never going to look great. I'm not sure having Blue BR lettering would've been much better for conveying the special status of the trains, but at least they would've been readable! Maybe if they'd put 'Inter-City Pullman'?Anyway, can't wait to see the full rake behind an appropriate AC loco Thanks Keefer - I have decals for both the original and later liveries but agree that the original with its crests is the better one. Perhaps in a few years I might build the later liveried set. Cheers Darius Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 Interestingly in an article in Modern Railway January 1965 there's an artist's impression of a grey/blue Blue Pullman parlour car with Rail Alphabet 'Pullman' in Rail Blue. The blue is only round the windows too, like the LMR cars. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Richard_A Posted July 22, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 22, 2018 That looks like some great modelling, I keep looking at the Manchester pullman but, as I'm interested in South Wales railways I keep resisting Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timbowilts Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 That looks like some great modelling, I keep looking at the Manchester pullman but, as I'm interested in South Wales railways I keep resisting Go on! An eth fitted Class 50 doing an expensive excursion running under Rule 1, sorted! Tim T Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Darius43 Posted July 22, 2018 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted July 22, 2018 Go on! An eth fitted Class 50 doing an expensive excursion running under Rule 1, sorted! Tim T The layout that a friend and I are building doesn’t feature any overhead catenary so Rule 1 will definitely be applied Cheers Darius Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Darius43 Posted July 22, 2018 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted July 22, 2018 (edited) Second Kitchen Car underway Cheers Darius Edited February 25, 2023 by Darius43 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Darius43 Posted July 22, 2018 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted July 22, 2018 (edited) Some more progress Cheers Darius Edited February 25, 2023 by Darius43 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timbowilts Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 The layout that a friend and I are building doesn’t feature any overhead catenary so Rule 1 will definitely be applied Cheers Darius Err Class 50s don’t need OLE as they are a diesel Tim T Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Darius43 Posted July 22, 2018 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted July 22, 2018 Err Class 50s don’t need OLE as they are a diesel Tim T I know that. I was just posting in encouragement of Rule 1. Darius Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
47164 Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 Hi Darius, what was your trick in producing the vertical guide lines on the glazing for the blinds ? (Coaches look surperb). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Darius43 Posted July 23, 2018 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted July 23, 2018 (edited) On 23/07/2018 at 08:21, 47164 said: Hi Darius, what was your trick in producing the vertical guide lines on the glazing for the blinds ? (Coaches look surperb). Hi, I used plenty of masking tape applied to an old clear acetate report cover to create thin lines at the correct centres. This was sprayed with Halfords “Nissan Silver” and left to dry. Strips of the required width are cut off to glaze each coach. The blinds are masked and brush painted on the strips prior to glazing. The toilet window glazing is formed from similar sheets sprayed with white primer. Cheers Darius Edited February 25, 2023 by Darius43 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kazmierczak Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 Fantastic Darius. This is what modelling is all about; capturing the atmosphere with all those closely-observed details. Must be some of the best Mk2s I've seen portrayed in model form. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Darius43 Posted July 23, 2018 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted July 23, 2018 (edited) Second Kitchen Car completed Cheers Darius Edited February 25, 2023 by Darius43 12 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheesysmith Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 In the mark 2 book, the design that launched intercity, it states that the manchester pulman coaches were not able to be heated by a diesel loco as the ETH was designed for use with the 800-1000v ETH from a electric loco. At the end of 74 they started refurbishment wich included the replacement of the venetian blinds with curtains. The fitting of air brakes and the modification to the ETH did not happen until 87, when it changed to the "lakeland pulman" charter set. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwich station Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 Just come across this thread again. Can I ask how many coaches there are in the Manchester Pullman set and what they are? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Darius43 Posted September 15, 2018 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted September 15, 2018 Just come across this thread again. Can I ask how many coaches there are in the Manchester Pullman set and what they are? There were eight coaches in the Manchester Pullman: four parlour cars; two kitchen cars and two brake coaches. Need to get back on this and complete the remaining three coaches. Cheers Darius Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
45125 Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 In the mark 2 book, the design that launched intercity, it states that the manchester pulman coaches were not able to be heated by a diesel loco as the ETH was designed for use with the 800-1000v ETH from a electric loco. At the end of 74 they started refurbishment wich included the replacement of the venetian blinds with curtains. The fitting of air brakes and the modification to the ETH did not happen until 87, when it changed to the "lakeland pulman" charter set. Quite right, the ETH was only comparable with AL1-6 originally as the ETH was AC as opposed to DC from diesels. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwich station Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 There were eight coaches in the Manchester Pullman: four parlour cars; two kitchen cars and two brake coaches. Need to get back on this and complete the remaining three coaches. Cheers Darius Which were 1st class and 2nd class? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Darius43 Posted September 16, 2018 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted September 16, 2018 (edited) Which were 1st class and 2nd class? Pretty sure it was all 1st class. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchester_Pullman Cheers Darius Edited September 16, 2018 by Darius43 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anand Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 Dear Darius, I wondered if you would consider building an O gauge version of one of these Pullman carriages or, alternatively selling/building one of the 00 gauges. If neither, do you know of anyone else who could/has carried out such a build. Kind regards Anand Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Michael Edge Posted July 2, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 2, 2019 We have produced the etches in 7mm scale (.015" n/s), available to order, not kept in stock. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Darius43 Posted July 8, 2019 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted July 8, 2019 9 hours ago, jf2682 said: Darius/Michael Edge, This is a very interesting thread, and it looks as though the etches are an excellent basis for conversion of the Airfix Mk 2Ds to the Pullmans. I have a few questions: What adhesive do you use to attach the etches to the plastic? Do the etches come with the hinge detail etched on, or are they a separate attachment. Finally , where did you source the roof vents? Thanks in advance. John Hi John, i used superglue to attach the etches to the coach sides. The hinges were added (by me) using microstrip and I scratch built the Kitchen Car roof vents from plasticard. Cheers Darius 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Michael Edge Posted July 9, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 9, 2019 I used Evostik for the set I built originally but I think I would use superglue if I did any more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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