Carnival Horizon Accident

[NorthBrit]

NEW YORK – The Coast Guard is investigating an allision between the cruise ship Carnival Horizon and a pier at the Manhattan Cruise Terminal, Tuesday.

Watchstanders at Coast Guard Sector New York Vessel Traffic Service were alerted of the accident on Tuesday morning. Investigators, Marine Inspectors and a Facilities team from Coast Guard Sector New York were called to the scene after the Carnival Horizon allided with Pier 90 while mooring at Pier 88 in the Manhattan Cruise Terminal.

No injuries or pollution were reported as a result of the allision.

The Coast Guard is investigating the extent of the damage to Pier 90 and the cause of the allision.

 

An allision occurs when a vessel runs into a stationary object as opposed to a collision when two moving objects run into each other.

[Dunsignalling]

My New Word Of The Week.

 

I shall be attempting to insert it into as many conversations as possible over the next 7 days.

 

John

[Legend]

Obviously had Lesley Phillips aboard. ‘Left hand down a bit”

[Danemouth]

Obviously had Lesley Phillips aboard. ‘Left hand down a bit”

 

Ah! The Navy Lark

 

Radio comedy at its best

 

Dave

[BernardTPM]

An allision occurs when a vessel runs into a stationary object as opposed to a collision when two moving objects run into each other.

Sorry, someone is winding you up there. I checked my very comprehensive 1932 English dictionary and there is no such word.

Edited August 28, 2018 by BernardTPM

[Kylestrome]

Sorry, someone is winding you up there. I checked my very comprehensive 1932 English dictionary and there is no such word.

 

You learn something new every day:

 

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/allision

 

I'm not sure if you can use this word in the OP's context, though?

 

David

Edited August 28, 2018 by Kylestrome

[jjb1970]

Allision is the correct term, the fact that most do not know the difference between collision and allision doesn't alter that.

[Edwin_m]

My New Word Of The Week.

 

I shall be attempting to insert it into as many conversations as possible over the next 7 days.

 

John

It might allide with the immovable ignorance of your listener. 

[Tony_S]

Allision is the correct term, the fact that most do not know the difference between collision and allision doesn't alter that.

Like cohesion and adhesion I suppose.

[duncan]

Are we sure the pier was stationery - or is that fake news   

[Horsetan]

Allision is the correct term, the fact that most do not know the difference between collision and allision doesn't alter that.

In these days of fake news, it might just be an illusion....

[SGJ]

I recon someone was more interested in getting to the hustler club than docking 

 

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@40.7676775,-73.9967229,3a,75y,6.55h,85.01t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1sAF1QipOtvyMopIc4sZQhOuYnXm39mQtPpfn9h3_cKTc3!2e10!3e11!6shttps:%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipOtvyMopIc4sZQhOuYnXm39mQtPpfn9h3_cKTc3%3Dw203-h100-k-no-pi-0-ya170.59824-ro-0-fo100!7i7680!8i3840

[BernardTPM]

Actually everything in the universe is moving, which probably explains why vehicles hit so many trees and lamp posts....

Edited August 28, 2018 by BernardTPM

[Pacific231G]

Sorry, someone is winding you up there. I checked my very comprehensive 1932 English dictionary and there is no such word.

Sorry but you are wrong Bernard, though the joke may be on me for assuming you were serious, and no dictionary includes every word in use (Does your 1932 dictionary includes turnout in its railway meaning?If it does, I'd be genuinely interested to see the actual definition) 

 

Oxford Dictionaries do have allision in British and World English defining it as :noun rare, literary  The action of striking (something) against or upon something. However, it is neither rare nor literary in U.S. maritime law where this casualty was reported (see  https://maritimelegalhelp.com/what-is-an-allision/) It can be quite important as a specific legal term in situations where the distinction between an allision and a collision is important in terms of liability.  Though most commonly used in U.S. Maritime law  it does appear elsewhere and I suspect that any lawyer specialising in maritime law would understand it. For example, in a commentary by Van Traa Advocaten N.V. a law firm in Rotterdam

"These rules of law with regard to collision cases also apply to

allision cases, i.e. when damage has been caused by a vessel without

there having been a collision between two vessels (art. 8:541 Dutch Civil Code)" 

 

To answer jjb1990. I wouldn't though say that allision is the "correct" term (a meaningless concept in an uncodified language like English) as, outside US maritime circles, the term collision would normally include a collision with a stationary object.

 

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Edited August 29, 2018 by Pacific231G

[kevinlms]

NEW YORK – The Coast Guard is investigating an allision between the cruise ship Carnival Horizon and a pier at the Manhattan Cruise Terminal, Tuesday.

Watchstanders at Coast Guard Sector New York Vessel Traffic Service were alerted of the accident on Tuesday morning. Investigators, Marine Inspectors and a Facilities team from Coast Guard Sector New York were called to the scene after the Carnival Horizon allided with Pier 90 while mooring at Pier 88 in the Manhattan Cruise Terminal.

No injuries or pollution were reported as a result of the allision.

The Coast Guard is investigating the extent of the damage to Pier 90 and the cause of the allision.

An allision occurs when a vessel runs into a stationary object as opposed to a collision when two moving objects run into each other.

And completely wiped out Pier 89!

[Edwin_m]

"These rules of law with regard to collision cases also apply to

allision cases, i.e. when damage has been caused by a vessel without

there having been a collision between two vessels (art. 8:541 Dutch Civil Code)" 

So is a moving vessel hitting a non-moving vessel a collision or an allision? 

[34theletterbetweenB&D]

That would be a collision in English this side of the pond, allision on the American side. Allision is a 'fossil' of earlier Engish usage, preserved by lawyers for its precise differentiation between moving object comes into contact with stationary object (allision) and two moving objects coming into contact (collision), all in the specific context of maritime law.

 

I promise you that my American friends have collisions in their automobiles with stationary trees, and other structures.

Edited August 29, 2018 by 34theletterbetweenB&D

[Colin_McLeod]

My thumb is sore after my hammer had an allision with it.

 

BTW can allisions and collisions be deliberate or is the word "accidential" implied?

[BernardTPM]

Sorry but you are wrong Bernard, though the joke may be on me for assuming you were serious, and no dictionary includes every word in use (Does your 1932 dictionary includes turnout in its railway meaning?If it does, I'd be genuinely interested to see the actual definition)

My reply was largely tongue in cheek, though I had never heard the term before, even when I was working in a magistrates' court where we dealt with many RTA cases where vehicles hit stationary objects.

I checked 'turnout' but there were no railway associated definitions. For 'point' it has "a tapering rail moving on a pivot for switching a train from one line to another". Interestingly under 'frog' we have "A solid piece of iron forming the portion of a railway track where the lines cross or diverge, grooved so as to make the lines continuous."

[Pacific231G]

My thumb is sore after my hammer had an allision with it.

 

BTW can allisions and collisions be deliberate or is the word "accidential" implied?

The allision or collision is simply what happened, Whether it was accidental, negligent, or deliberate is another matter. A ship's master might for example choose to strike a pier to avoid a more damaging collision  with another vessel. The marine lawyers would probably get very large fees for sorting out the liability in that case. 

 

Alllsion does include a vessel striking another that isn't moving. Though it's a word I'd never come across before it does seem to be quite widely used in US maritime parlance, not only by lawyers, and is used as a verb  "Response crews are conducting lightering operations on the MM-46 barge after it allided with the Natchez-Vidalia U.S. 84 Bridge", It does though seem to be obsolete in its more general non-maritime meaning. Its first recorded appearance in English was in 1615, the same year as collision, so is probably one of those words like railroad that fell out of use in Br. English but remained in US English.  I wouldn't be surprised though to find it in British maritime legalese. 

Edited August 29, 2018 by Pacific231G

[Pacific231G]

My reply was largely tongue in cheek, though I had never heard the term before, even when I was working in a magistrates' court where we dealt with many RTA cases where vehicles hit stationary objects.

I checked 'turnout' but there were no railway associated definitions. For 'point' it has "a tapering rail moving on a pivot for switching a train from one line to another". Interestingly under 'frog' we have "A solid piece of iron forming the portion of a railway track where the lines cross or diverge, grooved so as to make the lines continuous."

 

 

Interesting Bernard; I think the American word turnout started to be used by British PW engineers in the early 1930s but it's only fairly recently started to  appear in that context in the larger general dictionaries. It's not in the Cambridge Online Dictionary.

 

Frog is interesting too. My 1990 Concise Oxford gives "a grooved piece of iron at a place in a railway where tracks cross (19th c; origin unknown) which mean it's been around almost as long as railways (so yah boo sucks to the model railway pedants who say its "incorrect")  Other sources say it derives from the object's resemblance to part of a horse's hoof rather than directly from the animal. 

 

I don't think you'd have met "allision" with reference to RTAs even if you'd worked in an American court.

Edited August 29, 2018 by Pacific231G

[APOLLO]

This is the result of a pigeon having an allision with an Alycidon - Not nice !!!

 

 

Brit15

[Glorious NSE]

This is the result of a pigeon having an allision with an Alycidon - Not nice !!!

 

 

That pigeon must have been moving fast if the Deltic was stationary....

Edited August 29, 2018 by Glorious NSE

[jjb1970]

The difference between allision and collision is one of those things that probably strikes most as an arcane semantic point of interest which is all but irrelevant. For most people that is probably true, but as with many words which are still used in a formal (legal) context the difference is very real and important as they distinguish different actions or concepts accurately and unambiguously simply by use of a single word. For those who have to read marine accident investigation reports, marine regulatory texts etc the word allision is one they will almost certainly be familiar with and very comfortable about using themselves.

Edited August 29, 2018 by jjb1970

[GeoffAlan]

While we're into nautical terms, is 'Avast behind!' an insult?