pH Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 On 21/08/2019 at 00:10, Buhar said: The LMS had installed a trough at Strawfrank near Carstairs but I don't know if one was put in on the flat bit between Carlisle and Gretna Junction. If there wasn't, then the pick up at Dillicar needed to see you over both Shap and Beattock. There were troughs at Floriston on the stretch between Carlisle and Gretna. They appear to have been installed at the same time as the ones at Strawfrank, i.e. about 1927. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brocp Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 9 hours ago, robmcg said: I'm curious. Did Hornby say they were producing three styles of tender for the new Princess models, and if so was one of them the original 1933 flat-sided one? I see 6201 will have vacuum pump on cross-head, lovely, and there are two styles of firebox in the EP photos... I presume the 1934-5 changes to boiler and superheater etc would have some external evidence? I look forward to this model... The three tenders will most likely be 9 ton Stanier 10 ton Stanier 10 ton Stanier with Coal pusher (46206 had this) Though they may do the original tenders that 6200 and 6201 carried though the three above would be the safe bet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 (edited) 20 hours ago, Brocp said: The three tenders will most likely be 9 ton Stanier 10 ton Stanier 10 ton Stanier with Coal pusher (46206 had this) Though they may do the original tenders that 6200 and 6201 carried though the three above would be the safe bet. You are probably right. They did do the watercart tender for the N15 back in about 2010 which was quite unusual. But a complete early Princess tender might be a bridge too far.... The early powered tender fitted to some 6200 models in the past looks maybe the same as the LMS 4P Compound... and as far as I know it was rather 'representative' and anything vaguely right would never please today's critics! Edit; here is an approximation of what an early version might look like, courtesy a bit of PSP6 editing. pic edited, will remove if required. Edited August 24, 2019 by robmcg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDJR7F88 Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 17th - 18th August 2019 saw Hornby Hobbies open their doors to the public for their first Open Weekend, held at their headquarters in Margate. The 2 day event Celebrated Hornby's return to Margate with the first official public viewing of the 1:1 Locomotive Collection, which is curated in parted of the old factory, along with a selection of layouts and displays, including my WW1 Trench Railway - "Amiens 1918" and my Hornby Micro Layout - "Winters End". The Hornby Team were also on hand at the event, greeting visitors, and displaying some of their latest products and projects, from the vast Hornby Hobbies range. In this video we take a look at the Hornby Stand, featuring Models such as the latest prototypes for the up and coming Princess Class 4-6-2, the eagerly anticipated B2 Pecketts and popular Coca Cola Train Set, plus much more! Hope you enjoy! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trevor7598 Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 Any comments on the front bogie pivoting arrangement on the forthcoming Princess. It doesn't look at all prototypical of elegant to me. Hopefully the production models will have a central pivot, like Hornby's excellent Bulleid pacifics. Still taken from Callum's video, hope that's OK. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted August 25, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 25, 2019 I would imagine that is the old bogie used just for the bodies to sit on. There will of course be the frame extensions added as well. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
atom3624 Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 Is that a slider aka A4's? Al. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trevor7598 Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 28 minutes ago, atom3624 said: Is that a slider aka A4's? Al. I think you are right, looks like it. Not a nice arrangement. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, SDJR7F88 said: 17th - 18th August 2019 saw Hornby Hobbies open their doors to the public for their first Open Weekend, held at their headquarters in Margate. The 2 day event Celebrated Hornby's return to Margate with the first official public viewing of the 1:1 Locomotive Collection, which is curated in parted of the old factory, along with a selection of layouts and displays, including my WW1 Trench Railway - "Amiens 1918" and my Hornby Micro Layout - "Winters End". The Hornby Team were also on hand at the event, greeting visitors, and displaying some of their latest products and projects, from the vast Hornby Hobbies range. In this video we take a look at the Hornby Stand, featuring Models such as the latest prototypes for the up and coming Princess Class 4-6-2, the eagerly anticipated B2 Pecketts and popular Coca Cola Train Set, plus much more! Hope you enjoy! Thanks for that video SDJR7F88, I hope you don't mind I've taken a still or two of it of the new Princess models... which I think I and many others eagerly await. of course there will be many more finishing touches... here is my edited speculation.. For this I used a current tooling 46208 and scaled-down drivers from a Duchess, among other things. Edited August 25, 2019 by robmcg 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold MikeParkin65 Posted August 26, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 26, 2019 14 hours ago, trevor7598 said: Any comments on the front bogie pivoting arrangement on the forthcoming Princess. It doesn't look at all prototypical of elegant to me. Hopefully the production models will have a central pivot, like Hornby's excellent Bulleid pacifics. Still taken from Callum's video, hope that's OK. Standard Hornby front bogie mount which is an extension from the main chassis block. It is pivoting from the correct point and the false frame sides will cover the bracket. Same arrangement as the Duchess and other recent Hornby models. 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold MikeParkin65 Posted August 27, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 27, 2019 Just posted on Facebook. 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-BOAF Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 Re bogie pivot, I would imagine that is the final arrangement, bu everything will be hidden by cosmetic frames attached either to the body or chassis, as per the Duchess Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 4 hours ago, MikeParkin65 said: Just posted on Facebook. I'm very curious! It's great to see this progress, ... soon I will find out whether or not my edited pics of 6201 in 1935 condition bear any resemblance to the model! I used a 2001-tooling 6201 and scaled down Duchess wheels and other bits and pieces to create the pics. will remove if required. cheers 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 (edited) I am all a-tither with excitement, a close look at the previously shown video a few messages back shows there are already front bogie and front frame mouldings in the making, on the version with vacuum pump on crosshead and bump on smokebox side above handrail... the bogie has the horizontal rod along its lower edge too. This combination of short firebox, bump on smokebox upper rear, and crosshead could be early model Princess 6200 or 6201? But neither 6200 or 6201 had a domed boiler until, I think, late 1934 for 6201. I shall have consult my books (out of reach right now) but I know that all the Princesses changed boilers from domed to non-dome regularly, and I'm not sure if the firebox length changed too, nor when the bump on the smokebox all but disappeared, or did disappear.. Someone might know? Hornby have certainly got the bases covered. Long firebox (top) and shorter (bottom), and there will be variations in reversing levers, lubricators and various hardware fittings, and valve gear mounts. Who'd be a product developer? The various combinations are eye-watering, brain-curdling stuff. Dunno what that green engine at the bottom is. Probably some industrial shunter or something.... Still, we will all know on Friday! Cheers edit; never seen this before... If you modelled it like that people would say, 'didn't exist'... the photo was from a google search, I did not add the chimney. Edited August 28, 2019 by robmcg 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete the Elaner Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 I knew they tried a double chimney for a brief period & was told 'it didn't look quite right' but had never seen a photo before. I find it odd that they dismissed it so quickly then re-tried it with 6234 so early in its life, finding it a success. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
atom3624 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Didn't 6202 have a double chimney? Al. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete the Elaner Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 8 minutes ago, atom3624 said: Didn't 6202 have a double chimney? Al. Yes. it was built with it & retained it... ...until it was re-built as Princess Anne. Even though it was then a Princess/Duchess hybrid, it was given a single chimney. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 (edited) Fowler tender too - never seen that on a Pacific. Although reading back through the thread, there are a few images of it.... Did she actually run with that tender or just pose for some press photos? Edited August 28, 2019 by woodenhead Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 8 minutes ago, woodenhead said: Fowler tender too - never seen that on a Pacific. Although reading back through the thread, there are a few images of it.... Did she actually run with that tender or just pose for some press photos? It's a hybrid Fowler/Stanier 4000 gallon tender. Soon rebuilt into a normal 4000 gallon. Jason 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 On 25/08/2019 at 19:24, trevor7598 said: Any comments on the front bogie pivoting arrangement on the forthcoming Princess... On 26/08/2019 at 09:28, MikeParkin65 said: Standard Hornby front bogie mount which is an extension from the main chassis block. It is pivoting from the correct point and the false frame sides will cover the bracket. Same arrangement as the Duchess and other recent Hornby models. Absolutely, this has been the standard method for bogies on all of Hornby's completely newly tooled models, certainly since the A4 and A3, and works very well; especially when it is remembered that the model will be expected to stay on the rails on the unfeasibly small radii of set track, and to negotiate abrupt incline transitions. (Hornby usually forget to install a soft spring, despite often showing one on their assembly diagram, but that's an easy user addition.) On 25/08/2019 at 19:24, trevor7598 said: ...It doesn't look at all prototypical or elegant to me... BUT, and it is a big but, this loco has the wrong layout of cylinders to neatly conceal the unprototypical model gubbins on which the bogie pivots. The Princess is a King as far as the cylinder layout is concerned, so it is to that Hornby model that comparison should be made, for how well the model's bogie mounting can be concealed. It can probably never be quite as well done as on a proper pacific, with the cylinders so elegantly disposed between the bogie wheels, thus neatly interposing a large 'blocker' which fully conceals the untruth within. (If Hornby can make this look good, quelle horreur!we may still be in for one of unsteady Eddie's creations, which take pacific inelegance to a whole new level...) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete the Elaner Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 19 minutes ago, woodenhead said: Fowler tender too - never seen that on a Pacific. Although reading back through the thread, there are a few images of it.... Did she actually run with that tender or just pose for some press photos? It has been mentioned earlier on here that they were probably not just standard Fowler tenders, although they looked like it. 6200/6201 were the class prototypes, built in 1933. They had some differences including their tenders & round front buffers. I believe they both ran like this but I am not sure how long for. The others in the class did not appear for a further 2 years. I would expect changes such as tender & buffers to have been made in the mean time. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 The Fowler-looking tenders were actually quite capacious, and coal was traditionally piled quite high... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 (edited) On 27/08/2019 at 17:09, MikeParkin65 said: Just posted on Facebook. What looks like an open fire-hole door (with separately moulded lever mechanism). Operating firebox glow? Back to the days of of the Tri-ang M7. Yay! Edited August 29, 2019 by Porcy Mane 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 For those interested in where it all began... https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TRIANG-00-HO-GAUGE-Princess-Locomotive-ULTRA-RARE-IN-THIS-CONDITION-VGC/362738728663?hash=item5474e9bed7:g:fwYAAOSwwaNdQrac SO TEMPTING! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hroth Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, robmcg said: For those interested in where it all began... https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TRIANG-00-HO-GAUGE-Princess-Locomotive-ULTRA-RARE-IN-THIS-CONDITION-VGC/362738728663?hash=item5474e9bed7:g:fwYAAOSwwaNdQrac SO TEMPTING! Hmmmmm.... I don't know if I'd want to pay so much for something with the keeping qualities of a Lancia Beta or one of Hornbys Mazak Rot fleet. This is what it should look like inside! http://www.tri-ang.co.uk/OONew/chassis462Early.htm It would be nice to know if it had the XO1 disc commutator motor too, or the slightly later XO3 Edited August 29, 2019 by Hroth Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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