Moderators AY Mod Posted August 14, 2019 Moderators Share Posted August 14, 2019 38 minutes ago, Julia said: Wow. Just Wow. J Before castigating anyone do bear in mind layout builders are not paid entertainers and they don't have to show their work off. Do cinema screenings have subtitles for those with hearing difficulties? Do retailers have POS material with braille translations? Rarely I would say so - a measure of reasonabless should be applied to this issue within our hobby from all sides. 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PMP Posted August 14, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 14, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Julia said: Maybe have a think about how you can make a layout at about 1000mm more comfortable for your operators rather than ignoring those who aren't as able bodied as you? J Maybe have a think about how some layout designs aren’t appropriate for display at a 1m height. Mine aren’t, and whilst exhibition managers ask for them for display, I’ll carry on. Edited August 14, 2019 by PMP 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giles Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 Personally I think a lot can be done with the design of the layou itself. I built Denton Brook (and The End of The Line) to be at a height of just under 1100mm nominally, but both were designed to be three dimensional, and viewed from low angles as well as normal heights and give an interesting and plausible picture from a wheelchair, even though they wouldn't be able to see the surfaces at the highest levels. It worked, and on a number of occassions I have had very happy convesrations with people in wheechairs who are enjoying the scenics and the action. I operate from tall stools from self-preservation from front/side, which also gives good view and communication. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Julia Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 31 minutes ago, AY Mod said: Before castigating anyone do bear in mind layout builders are not paid entertainers and they don't have to show their work off. Do cinema screenings have subtitles for those with hearing difficulties? Do retailers have POS material with braille translations? Rarely I would say so - a measure of reasonabless should be applied to this issue within our hobby from all sides. Actually every film showing I goto has subtitles... Checkouts at most supermarkets have induction loops for the hard of hearing. If you are making your layout as an exhibition layout, then you really should be making it accessible to all those who come to the exhibition, and that means considering those in a wheel chair. If you don't want to do so, Don't exhibit. J 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julia Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 29 minutes ago, PMP said: Maybe have a think about how some layout designs aren’t appropriate for display at the new regulation 1m height. Mine aren’t, and whilst exhibition managers ask for them for display, I’ll carry on. Your layout design is flawed then. That may be fine for home use, but you're talking about taking it to an exhibition, which is for the general public. Thus you have to bow to the considerations of the general public. J Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AY Mod Posted August 14, 2019 Moderators Share Posted August 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, Julia said: Thus you have to bow to the considerations of the general public He doesn't have to bow to anything not covered by legislation. That attitude will make it less likely that someone will try to be more accommodating. Leave it alone now please. 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Argos Posted August 14, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 14, 2019 1 minute ago, Julia said: If you are making your layout as an exhibition layout, then you really should be making it accessible to all those who come to the exhibition, and that means considering those in a wheel chair. If you don't want to do so, Don't exhibit. And what happens if you are not making a layout as an exhibition layout but a home layout that could be occasionally exhibited, as many layouts are? Should they be banned from exhibitions if they don't conform to viewing height standards? If so numerous layouts would be lost to the vast majority of the viewing public which I can only think would be bad for the hobby. 4 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PMP Posted August 14, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 14, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Julia said: Your layout design is flawed then. That may be fine for home use, but you're talking about taking it to an exhibition, which is for the general public. Thus you have to bow to the considerations of the general public. J No it isn’t flawed, and no I don’t have to bow to anyone. I take a layout to an exhibition because a manager asks for it to be there. They’re home layouts that go out on request from an exhibition manager, they’re not ‘exhibition’ layouts designed to go to shows. Three layouts have been to shows with no complaints, and winning one major award partly for the display and design element. Edited August 14, 2019 by PMP 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julia Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 1 minute ago, PMP said: No it isn’t flawed, and no I don’t have to bow to anyone. I take a layout to an exhibition because a manager asks for it to be there. They’re home layouts that go out on request from an exhibition manager, they’re not ‘exhibition’ layouts designed to go to shows. The exhibition manager has their priorities wrong... I'm so glad I gave up on exhibitions as a punter long ago. J 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted August 14, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 14, 2019 10 hours ago, Joseph_Pestell said: That would be fun balancing a 24' x 10' layout on............ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted August 14, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 14, 2019 7 minutes ago, Julia said: The exhibition manager has their priorities wrong... I'm so glad I gave up on exhibitions as a punter long ago. J Sorry, but this deserves a 6 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve1 Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 Enough already. This subject has been done to death (once again), so can we just shut it down? The OP must have enough gristle to chew over by now to make his decision. steve 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davknigh Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 2 hours ago, Julia said: Unfortunately the punters you are disadvantaging are the young, and those in wheel chairs. Nicely done! Maybe have a think about how you can make a layout at about 1000mm more comfortable for your operators rather than ignoring those who aren't as able bodied as you? J Err, that would be operator, me. I’m 1m75 tall and not getting any younger. The shows I attend allow me free admission and fellowship for the most part so there is no great monetary compensation for a weekend. My layout is a shunting layout rather than a roundy roundy so attracts a smaller crowd. FWIW I have had enthusiastic reception from a number of children on the autism spectrum. I’d love to make everybody happy but I’m just one layout in a hockey rink with a great mass of other attractions including G scale layouts on the floor. If that makes me selfish, as you seem to imply, then so be it. Cheers, David 2 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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