RobMG Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 A few days ago I bought a s/hand Hornby 06 shunter very cheaply, simply because I liked the look of it. I thought I could do some detail work on it and make it presentable. It wasn't very keen to run, but cleaning the wheels cured that . I just tried it to see how it would perform, and found to my delight it runs beautifully quietly , slowly , and smoothly. So my question is why do people criticise them for running like a jackrabbit ? I know there are probably lots of detail and dimensions that are incorrect, and I am sure I can make improvements there, but runningwise it is second to none. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrisr40 Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 I think for many years they used a motor which was more of an off on switch whereas latterly they have employed a better one. Certainly the smokey jo of today is controllable at a crawl whereas 10 years ago it would have given a rocket ship a good run for its money. It also makes them brilliant and cost effective starting points for customisation, detailing etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 I think most of the comments are from those who had one as a child decades ago and hasn't seen a newer version run. Jason 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold JohnR Posted October 14, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 14, 2019 The Hornby 0-4-0 chassis has been a reasonable runner for some years now - perhaps since the move to China. The Caley pug similarly is now a nice slow runner. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold stovepipe Posted October 14, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 14, 2019 3 hours ago, RobMG said: A few days ago I bought a s/hand Hornby 06 shunter very cheaply, simply because I liked the look of it. I thought I could do some detail work on it and make it presentable. It wasn't very keen to run, but cleaning the wheels cured that . I just tried it to see how it would perform, and found to my delight it runs beautifully quietly , slowly , and smoothly. So my question is why do people criticise them for running like a jackrabbit ? I know there are probably lots of detail and dimensions that are incorrect, and I am sure I can make improvements there, but runningwise it is second to none. Which version of the 06 is it? A relative bought my son one (R2676), and that runs off like a hare. I think it dates from 2012. I wouldn't mind one with a newer chassis, especially as Peter's Spares sells a number of differently decorated bodies/cabs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jack Benson Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 Hi, Does the Hornby Bagnall shunter have a similar sweet performance? Btw, I am also interested to discover which variant of 06 shunters are worth buying. Cheers JB Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold stovepipe Posted October 14, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 14, 2019 A quick scan through the Hornby service sheets suggests the new motor X8966 came in from April 2001 and is still current on the class 06. So that would be all models from R2188, and possibly R2184 as well. Hmm, I think I need to re-run mine with the new controller acquired since... I assume the Bagnall's would all be the same chassis, as they only came out a few years ago? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 Any use? A couple of videos on this thread. https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/147973-2019-collectors-club-model/ Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigherb Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 9 hours ago, Jack Benson said: Hi, Does the Hornby Bagnall shunter have a similar sweet performance? 1 Yes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knitpick Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 13 hours ago, Steamport Southport said: I think most of the comments are from those who had one as a child decades ago and hasn't seen a newer version run. Jason I'm not that young! In my teenage days the 0-4-0T was Polly / Connie / Nellie. I did get some of the later 0-4-0s including Smokey Joe and the original 06. I used high wattage low amperage resistors wired in series with the motor to slug it so that the locos ran reasonably. OK this was last century. So be also aware that with these older 0-4-0s, they have the old style Hornby wide wheel treads with a back to back that doesn't like modern point-work. Oh and I have seen the newer version of that chassis run; they don't need to be slugged. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted October 15, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 15, 2019 17 hours ago, RobMG said: A few days ago I bought a s/hand Hornby 06 shunter very cheaply, simply because I liked the look of it. I thought I could do some detail work on it and make it presentable. It wasn't very keen to run, but cleaning the wheels cured that . I just tried it to see how it would perform, and found to my delight it runs beautifully quietly , slowly , and smoothly. So my question is why do people criticise them for running like a jackrabbit ? I know there are probably lots of detail and dimensions that are incorrect, and I am sure I can make improvements there, but runningwise it is second to none. Rob, don't let Hornby know or they will come round and take it off you. It must have been a reject that escaped into the big wide world. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Grifone Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 2 hours ago, Clive Mortimore said: Rob, don't let Hornby know or they will come round and take it off you. It must have been a reject that escaped into the big wide world. A good controller will tame all of them, but since Tri-ang days they have all been capable of well over a scale ton! Maybe the 21st century has seen motors that don't have a top speed of 20.000 r.p.m.? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 6 minutes ago, Il Grifone said: A good controller will tame all of them, but since Tri-ang days they have all been capable of well over a scale ton! Maybe the 21st century has seen motors that don't have a top speed of 20.000 r.p.m.? Erm. That's what I meant. When was the last time either of you seen a new one move? They aren't like that anymore. Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Grifone Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Steamport Southport said: Erm. That's what I meant. When was the last time either of you seen a new one move? They aren't like that anymore. Jason I'm pleased to hear it. It was long overdue (about fifty years). I have to admit not having seen a modern one Hornby 06s are something I have always avoided. The nearest I have is the Hornby Dowlais Class D. Edited October 15, 2019 by Il Grifone Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 (edited) My experience of these models. No Class 06s though. Never had a Triang one. Got mine in 1978 in a GWR train set and yes, it was a bit sprightly. My brother got a Caledonian 0-4-0ST when they came out. A bit less sprightly. He bought his daughter one in the early 1990s and it was fine. Last year I bought her son one from Hattons for about £17 and it was impeccable. Jason Edited October 15, 2019 by Steamport Southport 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Grifone Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 Have they changed the gear ratio as well? "Impeccable" from a Hornby Caley Pug seems too good to be true, even with a much better motor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatB Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 (edited) Last time I looked, Hattons had one of the Collectors Club editions, new, for ~£14.50 a pop. A good opportunity to lay a few down for future bashing, perhaps. Edit: That's the Caley Pug, not the 06. Edited October 15, 2019 by PatB Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 59 minutes ago, Il Grifone said: Have they changed the gear ratio as well? "Impeccable" from a Hornby Caley Pug seems too good to be true, even with a much better motor. Okay. Maybe not finescale standards. But pretty adequate for a small, cheap model that is mainly going to be used by beginners or children as a gateway model. Don't expect Peckett qualities, but they aren't like a Ferrari either. Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMG Posted October 16, 2019 Author Share Posted October 16, 2019 18 hours ago, Il Grifone said: A good controller will tame all of them, but since Tri-ang days they have all been capable of well over a scale ton! Maybe the 21st century has seen motors that don't have a top speed of 20.000 r.p.m.? I have a H &M duette, it runs very using that, as do all my other locos.. It obviously is a later model, it has a can motor , and was made in China. I bought it a week ago with a little pile of other bits including a couple of wagon kits, some lowmelt solder, a pack of static grass, and some white metal castings of workshop equipment. all for £20 at a fairly local model shop in Shropshire, I'd discovered a few days before. So I was pleased with my rummage through a couple of bits boxes.. Rob 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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