InterCity80s Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 There's some footage of the 7 car APT set in this month's Signal Box: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob D2 Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 There a lot of the two car add on set in Cheltenham models . I'm not getting it - they release the ad on sets and the NDM ( is that the blank car with all the electric gubbins in it ) before all the sets themselves ? most I could do is a five car - is that realistic or where they really all 7 or 14? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VXDH92 Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 19 minutes ago, rob D2 said: There a lot of the two car add on set in Cheltenham models . I'm not getting it - they release the ad on sets and the NDM ( is that the blank car with all the electric gubbins in it ) before all the sets themselves ? most I could do is a five car - is that realistic or where they really all 7 or 14? Lots of different combos in real life during testing, for 5 car up to 14 car AFAIK. And yes, the extra coaches arrived first. Possibly wasn't Hornby's intention, but I guess the train packs have been slightly waylaid for whatever reason. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium boxbrownie Posted November 5, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 5, 2021 37 minutes ago, InterCity80s said: There's some footage of the 7 car APT set in this month's Signal Box: 1:50 and the Panto…….it really does make me wonder if they are looking at what they film. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob D2 Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 Looks pretty cool ! I watched the documentary the other day with Simon and the designer comparing paint shades and trying to get the beige right , that included a bloke mixing it by eye and a visit to Crewe to compare it against a real one …. I was kinda thinking it might be a bit more…….” Scientific “….or was it dumbed down for TV I wonder ? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium boxbrownie Posted November 5, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 5, 2021 3 minutes ago, rob D2 said: Looks pretty cool ! I watched the documentary the other day with Simon and the designer comparing paint shades and trying to get the beige right , that included a bloke mixing it by eye and a visit to Crewe to compare it against a real one …. I was kinda thinking it might be a bit more…….” Scientific “….or was it dumbed down for TV I wonder ? Probably about right…….Fleischmann probably use a spectrophotometer rather than a bloke in a paint stained overall 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Norski Posted November 5, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 5, 2021 Daft question. In the engine shed video the coach lights are off yet mine are on the moment the wheels touch the track - can they be turned off ? i can't see a switch but that doesn't mean its not staring me in the face (usually the case). Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dagworth Posted November 5, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 5, 2021 4 minutes ago, Norski said: Daft question. In the engine shed video the coach lights are off yet mine are on the moment the wheels touch the track - can they be turned off ? i can't see a switch but that doesn't mean its not staring me in the face (usually the case). Thanks Are you on DCC? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Norski Posted November 5, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 5, 2021 1 minute ago, Dagworth said: Are you on DCC? Yes i am. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dagworth Posted November 5, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 5, 2021 4 minutes ago, Norski said: Yes i am. That’s probably the reason, the set on the program may well be a DC set so no coach lights when it’s not moving. As supplied there is no option to turn the coach lights off, I have all my intermediate coaches now so I will look at rewiring options over the weekend. My plan is through wiring for lights and pick ups throughout the sets. Andi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Norski Posted November 5, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 5, 2021 Ok i understand now - thanks for taking time to explain. Im not savvy enough to do that kind of wiring myself. Not the end of the world - light bleed in total darkness is noticeable but i don't run trains in total darkness anyway. Waited for 40 years for this train after missing out on the original as a 10 year old. The last few months of that 40 year is killing me 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium boxbrownie Posted November 5, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 5, 2021 On 04/11/2021 at 12:58, boxbrownie said: Having looked again at the original sitting in its box I am definitely going to use it with the new NDM (thanks to Tips from Ouroborus)……I really do find modelling more interesting than just buying and running, so it’ll be fun (I say that now!). Only problem is…..cannot find Pacer couplings for love or money Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RedgateModels Posted November 5, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 5, 2021 Just now, boxbrownie said: Only problem is…..cannot find Pacer couplings for love or money Even I've only got spare apt NDM couplings in stock 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 5 hours ago, InterCity80s said: There's some footage of the 7 car APT set in this month's Signal Box: 5'52" They seemed to treat loose ladies rather harshly in Cumberland. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ouroborus Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 2 hours ago, boxbrownie said: Only problem is…..cannot find Pacer couplings for love or money Hang fire there. Just have a look at the couplings already on your existing apt - i think you might find they do the job just fine. Iirc, the trailers and ndm are different lengths. I could be wrong, but given its so easy to swap a coupling, worth a go 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium boxbrownie Posted November 6, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 6, 2021 11 hours ago, RedgateModels said: Even I've only got spare apt NDM couplings in stock No worries…..bit of string and a well chewed bit of bubble gum will work 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium boxbrownie Posted November 6, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 6, 2021 8 hours ago, Ouroborus said: Hang fire there. Just have a look at the couplings already on your existing apt - i think you might find they do the job just fine. Iirc, the trailers and ndm are different lengths. I could be wrong, but given its so easy to swap a coupling, worth a go Will do, I did wonder as the electrical connection from the pacer couplings is not needed, presently fitting crew and sound to a Heljan 128…… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium boxbrownie Posted November 6, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 6, 2021 8 hours ago, No Decorum said: 5'52" They seemed to treat loose ladies rather harshly in Cumberland. Workington Ladies if you don’t mind 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RedgateModels Posted November 6, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 6, 2021 16 minutes ago, boxbrownie said: Will do, I did wonder as the electrical connection from the pacer couplings is not needed, presently fitting crew and sound to a Heljan 128…… Ah, OK, give me an hour or so and I'll see what I've got in the line of original NDM couplings..... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomScrut Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 13 hours ago, boxbrownie said: Probably about right…….Fleischmann probably use a spectrophotometer rather than a bloke in a paint stained overall I am pretty amazed that Hornby don't to be honest! Its not an expensive process as far as I am aware, at my work we have had to use one a few times. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RedgateModels Posted November 6, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 6, 2021 4 minutes ago, TomScrut said: I am pretty amazed that Hornby don't to be honest! Its not an expensive process as far as I am aware, at my work we have had to use one a few times. Point is that the real colour would look wrong on an OO scale model 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomScrut Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 4 minutes ago, RedgateModels said: Point is that the real colour would look wrong on an OO scale model Really? How does a colour "scale"? Finish maybe, which can affect how the surface reflects light but the colour itself surely cannot scale. I also believe that putting a spectrophotometer on the prototype would be a very good start. Let's be honest here. I don't think the skeg of the eye system works very well for Hornby anyway so maybe they should be a bit more scientific? GBRF 50s, Belmond Pullman brown 67s and IC HSTs spring to mind. I'd be interested in knowing how other companies do it as Hornby seem to be the ones with the worst track record for colours in recent years. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Roy Langridge Posted November 6, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 6, 2021 59 minutes ago, TomScrut said: Really? How does a colour "scale"? Finish maybe, which can affect how the surface reflects light but the colour itself surely cannot scale. I also believe that putting a spectrophotometer on the prototype would be a very good start. Let's be honest here. I don't think the skeg of the eye system works very well for Hornby anyway so maybe they should be a bit more scientific? GBRF 50s, Belmond Pullman brown 67s and IC HSTs spring to mind. I'd be interested in knowing how other companies do it as Hornby seem to be the ones with the worst track record for colours in recent years. Dont’t forget Hornby’s recent RTC blue - absolutely horrendous and not even close. But it is not just Hornby, Dapol and Bachmann have made fundamental colour errors. Roy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium boxbrownie Posted November 6, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 6, 2021 1 hour ago, RedgateModels said: Point is that the real colour would look wrong on an OO scale model The biggest problem is the colour of the lighting it’s viewed under, very few models are viewed in open daylight and almost no full size trains are viewed under room lighting. My whole career was often plagued by comments like “it looks the wrong colour” when showing clients pictures, then when showing them at a window the same image they suddenly say “oh that’s more like it”…..despite asking beforehand where it will be displayed/viewed the most they still pick holes! Just like being in here really 1 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RedgateModels Posted November 6, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 6, 2021 Having watched the Yesterday APT episode again today one question remains. How did they sort the light bleed? Black plastic or paint the inside black. Anyone who has had an intermediate coach opened up care to confirm? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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