locomotive kits 30368's Workbench SR Loco's with a bit of LNER

[30368]

Continueing with running in and adding detail to the loco body today. As others have mentioned, lots of scratch building with these kits.

 

Whilst a brass disc is provided for the smokebox door, the hinges etc are scratch built. The smokebox dart is Alan Gibson as are the Adams style clack valves.

 

The trailing driver wheel cab splashers take up most of the cab although they also provide a seat for the crewe. These are scratch built too.

 

Running in continues.

 

Kind regards,

 

30368

[30368]

Detailing continues, the cab and area around the whistles and safety valve is fairly complex. Fortunately Bryan Hardwick has taken the trouble to take a load of detailed pictures of the restored Adams T3 4-4-0 563 for me for which I am very grateful. They have clarified so much in this area. I know I am building a T6 but like Drummond and Urie, much of his fittings and detail arrangements were fairly standard.

 

Such well balanced locomotives aesthetically.

 

Firebox backplate is from Brassmasters. Still a lot to do.

 

Kind regards,

 

30368

[manna]

G'Day Folks

 

Lovely little engine, but the boiler looks so small, two cups of Tea, and it would be empty !

 

manna

[30368]

3 hours ago, manna said:

two cups of Tea

 

A good reminder Manna, I need to add the tea tray over the firebox door!

 

Cab nearly done but then so am I.... I need a cuppa.

 

The two axle bearings doubling as gauges will soon have a dab of filler to cover the hole. The reverser was trciky, I had assumed that Markits excellent SR/LNER screw reverser would do the job but thanks to Bryan's excellent cab pictures I decided to scratch build the reverser, the Markits version was more Drummond/Urie so would not do.

 

 

Kind regards,

 

 

30368

[30368]

Cab is, with a little cleaning up, ready for painting. So I have moved towards the front of the loco body and started to add detail. I'm pleasantly surprised that I am enjoying building this Victorian locomotive as much as I am. It is outside the era that I model but because it is such an attractive design I guess it is charming me, if that is the right phrase.

 

 

Tea "tray" in place...

 

Some filler required around reverser cover on splasher.

 

 

Kind regards,

 

30368

Edited October 23, 2023 by 30368

[30368]

The loco body is fairly close to completion requireing buffers/buffer beam, coupling and vacuum hose. The lamp brackets are also required and lastly the two injectors mounted on the rear footsteps. Whoops! and handrails!

I am now thinking about painting and have ordered some Maunsell Olive Green. The white lining is a problem and perhaps I should get someone to paint it for me? That will be a first.

 

 

A closer look at some of the detail. The running plate mounted oiling cup is an Alan Gibson casting and very good it is too.

 

The bogie has a long wheelbase and I can see no way to increase the clearance between trailing wheel and guidebars. This loco will only navigate gentle curves....

 

Kind regards,

 

30368

Edited October 25, 2023 by 30368

[Michael Edge]

How is the bogie fitted? The trailing wheels don't need to move far, the leading ones can do most of the movement on curves. I would expect to easily get this round my 28" radius test track.

[30368]

1 hour ago, Michael Edge said:

How is the bogie fitted?

 

Thanks Michael. Bogie located with a centre pivot and coil spring. Plenty of clearance at the front.

 

Kind regards,

 

30368

[Mallard60022]

15 hours ago, 30368 said:

 

Thanks Michael. Bogie located with a centre pivot and coil spring. Plenty of clearance at the front.

 

Kind regards,

 

30368

I'm no Engineer in any way, and my Geometry/Physics was and is carp, however would moving the Bogie Pivot point just a tad back, give you that front Axle movement and reduce the rear axle's need to move?  That combined with some sort of weeny wire restrictor to the Back Axle movement sideways?

Looking good anyway.

P

[gz3xzf]

On 20/10/2023 at 14:38, 30368 said:

The trailing driver wheel cab splashers take up most of the cab although they also provide a seat for the crewe. These are scratch built too.

Hi 30368

The T9 is very similar, haven't had the pleasure of a trip on the T3 yet, but when firing the T9 you had to be careful not to hit the drivers legs if you got too much of a swing on the shovel; a very cosy cab.

 

I forgot to mention about the cab, the Eureka lubricator on the fireman's side is an addition from this overhaul, originally there were two displacement lubricators, one on each the side of the smokebox, under the handrail around the centre line of the smokebox. They can be seen in photos taken before the loco went to the Flour Mill.

Also the steam brake valve on the drivers side cab sheet was not originally there, it was somewhere on the backhead, but I cannot find a reference photo at the moment.

 

Edited October 27, 2023 by gz3xzf
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[30368]

It is my birthday today and what a lovely sunny day it has been here in Buxton. One of my daughters 'phoned to tell me that a steam engine was running a train into Buxton today which was an extra birthday present. A few of my acclaimed crap pictures follow:

 

So this loco is running as Alberta which as we know is in Sierra Leone.....

Can't resist a few snaps intended to help modellers.

 

Kind regards,

 

 

30368

[30368]

I have not forgotten the T6, work continues apace:

 

Brake gear was a sod to do, so flimsy.

 

Kind regards,

 

30368

[30368]

On 26/10/2023 at 10:48, Mallard60022 said:

I'm no Engineer in any way, and my Geometry/Physics was and is carp, however would moving the Bogie Pivot point just a tad back, give you that front Axle movement and reduce the rear axle's need to move?  That combined with some sort of weeny wire restrictor to the Back Axle movement sideways?

 

Thanks Phil. I have a few plans for the bogie. The kit includes a second bogie frame and I am considering experimenting with a sort of 2-2-4-0 arrangement where the front bogie wheelset operates like a pony truck. The exisiting set up is not too bad but if my plans are succesful, the loco should have no trouble with fairly tight curves.

 

Kind regards,

 

Richard

[Pebbles]

25 minutes ago, 30368 said:

 

Thanks Phil. I have a few plans for the bogie. The kit includes a second bogie frame and I am considering experimenting with a sort of 2-2-4-0 arrangement where the front bogie wheelset operates like a pony truck. The exisiting set up is not too bad but if my plans are succesful, the loco should have no trouble with fairly tight curves.

 

Kind regards,

 

Richard

Peter Denny did much the same with one of his locos.

[30368]

1 hour ago, Pebbles said:

Peter Denny did much the same with one of his locos.

 

Many thanks, that makes sense given Peter Denny modelled Victorian Great Central locomotives. One of the greats.

 

Kind regards,

 

30368

[Pebbles]

15 hours ago, 30368 said:

 

Many thanks, that makes sense given Peter Denny modelled Victorian Great Central locomotives. One of the greats.

 

Kind regards,

 

30368

Having looked at this in more detail I would suggest a pivot point above the rear bogie wheel with a central pad resting on the frames to take the weight. This arrangement limits the movement of the rear wheels of the bogie whilst allowing movement of the front wheels.

[Mallard60022]

6 minutes ago, Pebbles said:

Having looked at this in more detail I would suggest a pivot point above the rear bogie wheel with a central pad resting on the frames to take the weight. This arrangement limits the movement of the rear wheels of the bogie whilst allowing movement of the front wheels.

Blimey, I had no idea that my thought actually had any legs... maybe I saw this is some long ago article or perhaps the late Geoff Brewin had advised me years ago. Maybe Tony Wright?

If Mr Denny used it then it could have been something he'd written in a Railway Modeller?

Yours, Pebbles, sounds Goldilocks Porridge, that is, just right.

I shall attempt to remember your suggestion in case I ever build another Loco that need something like this.

ATB

Phil

[30368]

Watching the Bahrain 8 hours World Endurance Race at the moment and in between painting and lining the T9. This is going to be tricky.

 

The boiler bands are the easy bit!

 

 

Kind regards,

 

30368

 

 

[Mallard60022]

Am I allowed to say that is a 'pretty' Engine?

P

[30368]

7 hours ago, Mallard60022 said:

Am I allowed to say that is a 'pretty' Engine?

Why ever not Phil?

 

A classic late Victorian design I guess. Bogie seems to work ok as it turns out but I have a plan "B" if required.

 

The big problem is going to be finishing the lining - I have ordered three sets of Fox generic curves (S,M,L) for the splashers amd I have an SR lining set for an M7 that can also help.

I have also bought the Brassmaster tender kit for the T6 which has a compensated chassis - a bit OTT in my view.

 

Kind regards,

 

Richard

[Mallard60022]

13 hours ago, 30368 said:

Why ever not Phil?

 

A classic late Victorian design I guess. Bogie seems to work ok as it turns out but I have a plan "B" if required.

 

The big problem is going to be finishing the lining - I have ordered three sets of Fox generic curves (S,M,L) for the splashers amd I have an SR lining set for an M7 that can also help.

I have also bought the Brassmaster tender kit for the T6 which has a compensated chassis - a bit OTT in my view.

 

Kind regards,

 

Richard

There is someone that prints customised Transfers. You need to supply the info for them. You could ask if that could include Geometric curves (that would fit your Splashers)? I'll have a look in Small Suppliers and get back to you on here.

P

[Mallard60022]

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https://www.rmweb.co.uk/profile/13390-railtec-models/

Edited November 6, 2023 by Mallard60022

[65179]

On 29/10/2023 at 15:42, 30368 said:

It is my birthday today and what a lovely sunny day it has been here in Buxton. One of my daughters 'phoned to tell me that a steam engine was running a train into Buxton today which was an extra birthday present. A few of my acclaimed crap pictures follow:

 

So this loco is running as Alberta which as we know is in Sierra Leone.....

Can't resist a few snaps intended to help modellers.

 

Kind regards,

 

 

30368

 

It's completely obvious then that its real identity is 45699 Galatea! Such a transformation from the Barry wreck that for so long looked like restoration wasn't possible and would be no more than a source of spares for Leander:

 

Dubdee's image on Flickr:

 

Simon

 

 

[30368]

19 hours ago, 65179 said:

It's completely obvious then that its real identity is 45699 Galatea! Such a transformation from the Barry wreck that for so long looked like restoration wasn't possible and would be no more than a source of spares for Leander:

 

Many thanks Simon and a really lovely picture of a 5XP, or what is left of it! It is an interesting subject - the real identitiy of a locomotive when so much was rotated at General Overhauls.

 

Kind regards,

 

Richard

[gz3xzf]

On 07/11/2023 at 14:38, 30368 said:

It is an interesting subject - the real identitiy of a locomotive when so much was rotated at General Overhauls.

I think the general consensus is that a locomotives identity stayed with the frames, because as you say nearly everything left the loco at the start of a heavy general overhaul which generally left the frames and cylinders. Which is why what was known for so long at Tyseley as Albert Hall became Rood Ashton Hall when it was restored once the restorers discovered the real identity.

Like you Richard I really appreciate the look of a Stanier ten-wheeler. 😁