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There was a comment made in the Hornby Lion thread saying that as a modeller you could nearly get in RTR one of every loco in the cavalcade.

 

Many items are planned from different manufacturers to fill in some gaps such as Hardwick from Bachmann.

 

If the online listing I have seen is anything to go by then one gap will be the L&Y 0-6-0ST

 

Quite a lot of the items are even available as the identical number and livery.

 

For someone who likes to collect trains it might make a nice double track operational diorama - but the fiddle yard will need to be big!

 

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p011vfz4

 

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V2 No 4771 Green Arrow
The Lion.jpg
The Golden Arrow
The Flying Scotsman.jpg
Stanier class 5MT No 5000
SR Schools 4-4-0 925 Cheltenham
SR MN 35028 Clan Line
SR LN 4-6-0 850 Lord Nelson
Sir Nigel Gresley
Sans Pareil
S&DJR class 7F 2-8-0 LMS No 13809
Replica Rocket and coach
Princess Elizabeth
Princess Coronation class No 46229 Duchess of Hamilton
Novelty
NCB 0-6-0ST No. 7 Robert
NBR Class C 0-6-0 (LNER Class J36) No 673 Maude
MR 4-2-2 673
Midland Compound 4-4-0 No 1000
LNER Class A4 pacific No 4498 Sir Nigel Gresley
LMS Stanier Princess Coronation class pacific No 46229 Duchess Of Hamilton
LMS Stanier Princess class pacific No 6201 Princess Elizabeth
LMS Stanier Jubilee class 4-6-0 No 5690 Leander
LMS mogul 2-6-0 No 43106
LMS Jinty 0-6-0T No 7298
LMS class 5P5F 4-6-0 No 5000
LMS 4F 0-6-0 No 4027
L&NWR Precedent class 2-4-0 No 790 Hardwick
L&NWR Coal Tank 0-6-2T No 1054
L & Y Aspinall 0-6-0 Saddle Tank No 752
Inter City 125 train 253 034
GWR Castle class 4-6-0 No 5051
D1062 Western Courier
Class 56 56077
Class 40 No. 40 106
BR class 4MT tank engine No 80079
6201 Princess Elizabeth
55 015, 86 216 and 26020
47 581 "Great Eastern"
45 068
4498 Sir Nigel Gresley
4472 Flying Scotsman
43106 LMS Ivatt Class 4 locomotive 2-6-0
40 106
370 004
35028 Clan Line
26020
25 296
0-6-0 Saddle Tank

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5 hours ago, AMJ said:

V2 No 4771 Green Arrow
The Lion.jpg
The Golden Arrow
The Flying Scotsman.jpg
Stanier class 5MT No 5000
SR Schools 4-4-0 925 Cheltenham
SR MN 35028 Clan Line
SR LN 4-6-0 850 Lord Nelson
Sir Nigel Gresley
Sans Pareil
S&DJR class 7F 2-8-0 LMS No 13809
Replica Rocket and coach
Princess Elizabeth
Princess Coronation class No 46229 Duchess of Hamilton
Novelty
NCB 0-6-0ST No. 7 Robert
NBR Class C 0-6-0 (LNER Class J36) No 673 Maude
MR 4-2-2 673
Midland Compound 4-4-0 No 1000
LNER Class A4 pacific No 4498 Sir Nigel Gresley
LMS Stanier Princess Coronation class pacific No 46229 Duchess Of Hamilton
LMS Stanier Princess class pacific No 6201 Princess Elizabeth
LMS Stanier Jubilee class 4-6-0 No 5690 Leander
LMS mogul 2-6-0 No 43106
LMS Jinty 0-6-0T No 7298
LMS class 5P5F 4-6-0 No 5000
LMS 4F 0-6-0 No 4027
L&NWR Precedent class 2-4-0 No 790 Hardwick
L&NWR Coal Tank 0-6-2T No 1054
L & Y Aspinall 0-6-0 Saddle Tank No 752
Inter City 125 train 253 034
GWR Castle class 4-6-0 No 5051
D1062 Western Courier
Class 56 56077
Class 40 No. 40 106
BR class 4MT tank engine No 80079
6201 Princess Elizabeth
55 015, 86 216 and 26020
47 581 "Great Eastern"
45 068
4498 Sir Nigel Gresley
4472 Flying Scotsman
43106 LMS Ivatt Class 4 locomotive 2-6-0
40 106
370 004
35028 Clan Line
26020
25 296
0-6-0 Saddle Tank

 

 

Nice but very loco centric, have you seen any info on support coaches etc.

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List? This is someone's sheet from the day.

 

http://www.edgehillstation.co.uk/resources/rocket-150-grand-cavalcade/

 

A full list of vehicles was in one of the magazines a few weeks after. Railway Magazine or Railway World. Can't remember which one though.

 

Most of the coaches were from the NRM, SVR and GWS

 

ISTR that Hagley Hall was also meant to appear and I think they also planned on a pannier tank. Quite possibly the LT one from Keighley.

 

Don't forget the Western needs a key....

 

 

 

Jason

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6 hours ago, AMJ said:

@Bomagto get an idea of the coaches and wagons might mean going through the BBC video slowly

 

I played it back again, but on a 4k monitor and the quality was much better.  Redhead and Jenkinson were a good double act but they dropped a clanger - they were slightly sniffy about the HST but were gushing about the APT saying it will be in service before the end of 1981:lol_mini:

 

I got

Mk1 BG 81423

Mk1 Griddle 1100 (only one left vb in May 1980)

Pullmans

Audrey (280)

Topaz (59)

Emerald (326)

MK1 CK SRL 99205 (15829)?

DR73413

B745031 ex Mk1 SK 25134 then NGV 96254

B745087 ex Mk1 Sk 24163

43137 (253034)

 

The APT was possilbly

48104

48604

49001?

48602

48501

48204

48105

 

7 unknown cops, first in the book/spreadsheet since 801221 exactly 1 year ago on 9th March 2020!

 

Missing the BSK with 99205 and the rest of the HST.

 

I was only allowed 10 photos on the day, the LNER locos, Gordon + some LMS and BR kettles. Also only 1 loco in BR green - yes.

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The Griddle Car was preserved in 1977 and restored in 1978 so that's wrong. If you are referring to it as still being in service.

 

It was part of the preserved Dining Car set for railtours until they were banned from using old carriages on the mainline and it was used in the NRM as a picnic coach. Now on the GCR after being neglected.

 

http://www.cs.rhrp.org.uk/se/CarriageInfo.asp?Ref=1110

 

The Griddle Car wasn't banned but most of the rest of the train was.

 

 

Jason

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11 hours ago, Steamport Southport said:

The Griddle Car was preserved in 1977 and restored in 1978 so that's wrong. If you are referring to it as still being in service.

 

It was part of the preserved Dining Car set for railtours until they were banned from using old carriages on the mainline and it was used in the NRM as a picnic coach. Now on the GCR after being neglected.

 

http://www.cs.rhrp.org.uk/se/CarriageInfo.asp?Ref=1110

 

The Griddle Car wasn't banned but most of the rest of the train was.

 

 

Jason

 

I don't buy into argument that if its not owned by BR it's not 'real'. In May 1980 there were two Griddle cars (both AG401) which could be seen on the network, 1100 and 1102 - 1100 was the only one with vac brakes, 1102 was air/ETH only. All the other griddle cars were withdrawn and in store.

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12 hours ago, Bomag said:

 

I don't buy into argument that if its not owned by BR it's not 'real'. In May 1980 there were two Griddle cars (both AG401) which could be seen on the network, 1100 and 1102 - 1100 was the only one with vac brakes, 1102 was air/ETH only. All the other griddle cars were withdrawn and in store.

 

I mean the date. It wasn't owned by BR then.

 

Using the 5/80 signifies that it was still in BR service. It had been restored and was in the NRM collection well before that.

 

Here it is after restoration at St Rollox.

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/60854097@N06/6755887591

 

 

Jason

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9 hours ago, Bomag said:

 

That would not be a valid presumption. Ownership is irrelevant; was it in use in May 1980? Yes.

 

But I was pointing out that it seems to imply that it was still in BR service and would have been painted in BR blue/grey livery.

 

Reading the OP, the thread is supposed to be about modelling the exhibits. So who owned it and what livery it was is very relevant. 

 

Shouldn't we be getting these details right?

 

 

Ashford/Eastleigh build on Commonwealth bogies

2 bays in buffet saloon

Diag. 30 - M1100 08/60-12/77 preserved

                  W1101 11/60-04/78 scrapped 10/80

                 SC1102 12/60-10/80 scrapped 07/83

 

Doncaster build on BR1 bogies converted from Diag. 16 RF built 1952

3 bays in buffet saloon

Diag. 31 - SC1103 06/64-11/79 scrapped 10/80

                  SC1104 07/63-11/79 preserved

                  SC1105 06/64-11/79 preserved

 

 

We have been discussing the Griddle Cars elsewhere. Where that information above is from.

 

https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/162936-griddle-cars/

 

 

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The Severn Valley's contribution is detailed here.

 

Including details of why 46521, 4930 Hagley Hall and 3020 Cornwall never made it.

 

https://www.svrwiki.com/Rocket_150

 

https://www.svrwiki.com/GWR_829_Full_Third

https://www.svrwiki.com/GWR_6913_Brake_Composite

https://www.svrwiki.com/LMS_Brake_Third_Corridor_26921

 

 

Jason

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1 hour ago, Steamport Southport said:

 

But I was pointing out that it seems to imply that it was still in BR service and would have been painted in BR blue/grey livery.

 

Reading the OP, the thread is supposed to be about modelling the exhibits. So who owned it and what livery it was is very relevant. 

 

Shouldn't we be getting these details right

 

We have been discussing the Griddle Cars elsewhere. Where that information above is from.

 

https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/162936-griddle-cars/

 

 

Jason

 

You may infer it but it there is no way my post implied that it was in B/G or BR service.  Have you actually looked at the program? The Griddle car was mentioned, without a clear view of the coach itself (the camera was concentrating on the LMS Dyno coach). The options for a Griddle car in a moving train in May 1980 were limited to  AG401 RGs numbers 1100 (NRMY95404) - vs- or E1102 -ae-. Since the kettle pulling it (the Jubilee Leander) was vac braked the logical assumption was that the the coach was 1100 and not E1102. The number of the coach is not visible nor mentioned; for clarity I mentioned my reasoning for saying it was 1100.

 

For the avoidance of doubt, given I am dyslexic and failed 'O' level English three times before giving up and going to University, the usage I am familiar is 'I infer, you imply'.

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My first post, and I am starting small. I have been working on the full list of rolling stock for over a year and I am still trying to fill in some more odds and sods of details.  However, for starters, have a look at this excellent page showing all the formations of the APT-P trains, ever.  Including Rocket 150.
http://www.25kv.uk/APT.php

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Today I have been looking at Freight, and in particular a six plank open wagon (OAA) Seen here behind the 47
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I was initially looking at an old 1981 Hornby R248, but that is painted in the alternate 3 grey and 3 red planks, while this example is 4 grey 2 red. There is no other OO example out there, but I have just discovered Rapido are going to be launching two examples with different numbers. (https://rapidotrains.co.uk/product/oaa-no-100095-railfreight-red-grey/) I am yet to track down the actual number for the one at Rainhill, but I can change that if I find the information out later. RRP is £39.99, but both Rails of Sheffield and TMC are doing it for a shade under £34. I believe it is estimated for release in April 23.

One of the issues here is that this train belongs to BR Class 45068, but after the cavalcade went passed, it all reversed back to Bold Colliery pushing the preceding loco's stock, so that is why this photo shows the Great Eastern making the return trip. 

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