RMweb Premium boxbrownie Posted December 27, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 27, 2021 11 hours ago, PaulRhB said: The brake rigging possibly but the pipes are usually present on models I see. Anyway it was that you speculated it was 95% when my experience says the visible bits like pipes get fitted Well a door missing or just arriving in one of two positions possible? I’ve made posable doors and changeable signs by mounting a steel strip from a Pepsi can on the back and a magnet concealed inside the body or building. As the metal is around 0.02mm thick it doesn’t make the part stand proud. Possibly making, painting and then assembling it separately just pushes the costs over what’s practical. My usual approach with Oxford Diecast vans is to chop the door out of one and make a hole in the other to mount the door open but that may be a tad too expensive to hack one of these up! Exactly what I have done with a couple of my road vehicles on the layout, it looks far more real with a bus at a stop to have the door open and people waiting to get on or a van (in my case a painters van) sitting close with rear door open parked close to a couple of workmen “doing what they do”. And why would “collectors” be averse to some of their fleet on display with doors in the “boarding” position, unless of course most serious collectors really spend most of the day on their knees pushing their precious models around the carpet 5 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted December 27, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 27, 2021 It should not be difficult to reposition the door as the body is plastic. It might be possible for someone to make a 3D printed replacement door. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium boxbrownie Posted December 27, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 27, 2021 2 minutes ago, PhilJ W said: It should not be difficult to reposition the door as the body is plastic. It might be possible for someone to make a 3D printed replacement door. If the model will be plastic then I am perfectly happy to adapt it, far easier than on a cast metal body that’s for sure. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted December 27, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 27, 2021 22 minutes ago, boxbrownie said: If the model will be plastic then I am perfectly happy to adapt it, far easier than on a cast metal body that’s for sure. All the other Rapido buses have plastic bodies. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium boxbrownie Posted December 27, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 27, 2021 26 minutes ago, PhilJ W said: All the other Rapido buses have plastic bodies. I did not know that, excellent. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KymN Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 On 26/12/2021 at 05:41, rapidoandy said: ... here are some of the latest WIP shots of the W&U coach CAD. Is that the GER/LNER W&U coach or the Titfield Buffet Coach? I have the Buffet Coach pack on pre-order, but I really want the as it ran GER version. I promise to buy the GER one if that is released, and another in Tollesbury livery. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted December 29, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 29, 2021 5 hours ago, KymN said: Is that the GER/LNER W&U coach or the Titfield Buffet Coach? I have the Buffet Coach pack on pre-order, but I really want the as it ran GER version. I promise to buy the GER one if that is released, and another in Tollesbury livery. My understanding is that it will be produced in several different versions right up to BR. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammy2305 Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 18 hours ago, KymN said: Is that the GER/LNER W&U coach or the Titfield Buffet Coach? I have the Buffet Coach pack on pre-order, but I really want the as it ran GER version. I promise to buy the GER one if that is released, and another in Tollesbury livery. The one in the pack is the Titfield version. The prototype ID/livery combos have yet to be announced. I'm holding out on a GER example (or two!) 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted December 29, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 29, 2021 (edited) 18 hours ago, KymN said: Is that the GER/LNER W&U coach or the Titfield Buffet Coach? I have the Buffet Coach pack on pre-order, but I really want the as it ran GER version. I promise to buy the GER one if that is released, and another in Tollesbury livery. 21 minutes ago, jamesC37LG said: The one in the pack is the Titfield version. The prototype ID/livery combos have yet to be announced. I'm holding out on a GER example (or two!) It was mentioned earlier in this thread that GER, LNER and BR versions will be produced. Edited December 29, 2021 by PhilJ W 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KymN Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 On 30/12/2021 at 09:29, PhilJ W said: It was mentioned earlier in this thread that GER, LNER and BR versions will be produced. I missed that, but I have now seen that work is 'well underway to produce alternative parts for both vehicle, as seen in both their service life, film role and in preservation'. Evidently there will be more in the next Rapido Newsletter, which for some reason I am no longer getting. I need to fix that! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted January 4, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 4, 2022 I'm looking forward to the W&U coach, not particular as to livery as it will be on my fictional preserved railway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammy2305 Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 I'll happy take a GER teak and a GER crimson example if possible... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdvle Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 2 hours ago, KymN said: I missed that, but I have now seen that work is 'well underway to produce alternative parts for both vehicle, as seen in both their service life, film role and in preservation'. Evidently there will be more in the next Rapido Newsletter, which for some reason I am no longer getting. I need to fix that! Anyone having problems should remember to check their junk/spam folder, sometimes mass newsletters can be incorrectly flagged by your email provider. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted January 4, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 4, 2022 I was wondering how the W&U coach would fit with the Hornby Ruston 48DS both being lower to track level. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted January 12, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 12, 2022 I think it’s about time the license holder for the Titfield set got a bit of airtime Is there any chance of the other names for Lion’s sister locos being included with Lion? 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted January 12, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 12, 2022 5 minutes ago, PaulRhB said: Is there any chance of the other names for Lion’s sister locos being included with Lion? That would be Tiger. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted January 12, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 12, 2022 11 minutes ago, Compound2632 said: That would be Tiger. And Buffalo, I think, though AIUI neither was rebuilt into the same form as Lion. John 1 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted January 12, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 12, 2022 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Dunsignalling said: And Buffalo, I think, though AIUI neither was rebuilt into the same form as Lion. Sorry, yes, quite right, also Elephant. All four had the same wheel and boiler dimensions (which does not necessarily equate to similarity of appearance) but these two, built in March 1839, had 14" x 20" cylinders, v. 12" x 18" for Lion and Tiger, built July and March 1838 - a 50% increase in nominal tractive effort. Buffalo is an interesting one, sold to the Varna Railway in 1860 - the first line in Bulgaria, built with money British and a strategic political move to fend off Russian influence. Ref. B. Baxter and D. Baxter, British Locomotive Catalogue 1825 – 1923 Vol. 2A London and North Western Railway and its constituent companies (Moorland Publishing Company, 1978). Edited January 12, 2022 by Compound2632 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted January 12, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 12, 2022 So do we know what the others actually looked like? The rebuild of Lion has been mentioned many times but it doesn’t look that different from the photo I’ve seen of it as a stationary boiler. Is there an engraving or account of the original look or modifications? I’m interested because I’ve read quite a bit on Rocket and have the NRM official assessments that make establishing most of its changes and easy to give approximate dates for them. I would also argue that although frame details and the angle of the cylinders changed it’s still substantially recognisable as the loco seen in original engravings. So how different is Lion exactly? If there’s no evidence to show the changes I don’t think it’s that much of a stretch to use the alternate names. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted January 12, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 12, 2022 10 minutes ago, PaulRhB said: So do we know what the others actually looked like? The rebuild of Lion has been mentioned many times but it doesn’t look that different from the photo I’ve seen of it as a stationary boiler. Is there an engraving or account of the original look or modifications? I’m interested because I’ve read quite a bit on Rocket and have the NRM official assessments that make establishing most of its changes and easy to give approximate dates for them. I would also argue that although frame details and the angle of the cylinders changed it’s still substantially recognisable as the loco seen in original engravings. So how different is Lion exactly? If there’s no evidence to show the changes I don’t think it’s that much of a stretch to use the alternate names. Following a bit of web-surfing, some sources cast doubt on Lion (as we know it) actually being Lion anyway. Seems that when it was found in use as a stationary boiler, it carried no identification and the Lion name was only attributed to it after research that may be open to question. Nobody has yet come up with a better claim for any of the others, so Lion it remains. One entry I read does suggest that Buffalo and Elephant might have been a bit bigger than Lion and Tiger, though to the same basic design. John 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted January 12, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 12, 2022 23 minutes ago, PaulRhB said: So do we know what the others actually looked like? This is the closest I could find: [Getty Images, embedding permitted.] 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted January 12, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 12, 2022 1 minute ago, Dunsignalling said: Following a bit of web-surfing, some sources cast doubt on Lion (as we know it) actually being Lion anyway. Yes that’s been debated for years but has little point, It’s the loco as we know it and it’s had the Lion name longer than it’s previous life in service. We know the basic fabric that they started with from photos of it extracted from the docks and it’s recognisable. Unless someone can find a definitive account or engraving people can’t prove it’s wrong because the speculation can’t be backed up with anything. The dock workers knew it as Lion so it’s highly probable that it is because they wouldn’t guess it or the other names by chance to match the records of the locos. The 1930’s rebuild was done by those familiar with the heritage and techniques so they chose features off other known locos with intuition to match what they had. I doubt it was much different from the rebuilds done in the 1800’s and retained the basic look. 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted January 12, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 12, 2022 It’s very difficult to separate those looking to pad out their book from actual fact on some of these things. Several authors have been found to have made fairly large assumptions in railway books across the field so I tend to look for ones that can back it up with contemporary letters, journals or engravings. A bibliography consisting of few or just modern books to me shows a lack of effort when producing these works when others prove there are extensive records that can be cross referenced for the railways concerned. Certain modern books don’t feature in my library due to previous suspect claims as a result 2 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium boxbrownie Posted January 12, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 12, 2022 2 hours ago, Compound2632 said: Sorry, yes, quite right, also Elephant. Is that the elephant in Simon Kohler’s office? 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Corbs Posted January 12, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 12, 2022 Anthony's video is helpful on 'Lion' info 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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