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My Earl of Merioneth arrived from Cornwall today and what a splendid little model it is. Unfortunately, I won't be able to test it for a couple of weeks, which will allow time for some additional coaching stock to arrive.

 

This is all a far cry from the Eggerbahn and Roco Minitrains models I had almost 40 years ago!

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14 minutes ago, Trevellan said:

My Earl of Merioneth arrived from Cornwall today and what a splendid little model it is. Unfortunately, I won't be able to test it for a couple of weeks, which will allow time for some additional coaching stock to arrive.

 

This is all a far cry from the Eggerbahn and Roco Minitrains models I had almost 40 years ago!

That's where I started too, little loop, couple of passing places and a load of secondhand Eggerbahn, only let the stuff go last year.

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Anyone found the actual minimum radii for them yet? Have Earl of Merioneth in the post and have been measuring up a space - could get away with 7 1/2" radius curves for an oval  without causing too much disruption to the room. Re DLG Bachmann admit in the club magazine that a compromise has made to be made with it being a scale foot too short.

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in Scoonie Hobbies today and picked up sound fitted Earl of Merioneth and its a stunning model! While chatting to Steve the owner an email arrived from Bachmann advising all 3 sound versions now sold out at Bachmann so be quick if you want one.

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1 hour ago, Pre Grouping fan said:

Pretty sure Andy York said a page or 2 ago they would go down to 6.5".

There was a "believe" in the comment rather than actually being a definate. Luckily rearranging a room this afternoon I stumbled across some long forgotten Fleischmann N gauge track of which there are three 192mm curves so EoM will get tested in due course.

Noted the Model Rail "Factfile" in the latest issue is potentially misleading to those not fully up on the history of the FRs Double Fairlies as following Little Wonder  it is stated a handful of them were subsequently built, "the third of which was Merddin Emrys"; that being the third including Little Wonder.

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10 minutes ago, Butler Henderson said:

There was a "believe" in the comment rather than actually being a definate. Luckily rearranging a room this afternoon I stumbled across some long forgotten Fleischmann N gauge track of which there are three 192mm curves so EoM will get tested in due course.

Noted the Model Rail "Factfile" in the latest issue is potentially misleading to those not fully up on the history of the FRs Double Fairlies as following Little Wonder  it is stated a handful of them were subsequently built, "the third of which was Merddin Emrys"; that being the third including Little Wonder.

Melvin was the first double engine built at the FR. 

Little Wonder was a George England, James Spooner was from Avonside. 

All the subsequent FR double engines have been built at Boston Lodge 

 

 

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Butler Henderson

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For those wanting some Peco Bug Boxes to run with EoM six were repainted Cherry Red in 1969  from green and white along with five of 19th century bogie coaches so some variety in coach stock is possible with the forthcoming releases from Peco. Source: Festiniog Railway ... 1921-2014, Peter Johnson ISBN 978 1 47389 625 3

There is this picture on Flickr of EoM on a coach set commencing with a string of Cherry Red 4 wheelers https://www.flickr.com/photos/52467480@N08/15772583135/ , while this shot from 1967 https://www.flickr.com/photos/dave58282/51217587866/ clearly shows a need for a front lamp.

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On 27/11/2021 at 17:56, Butler Henderson said:

Anyone found the actual minimum radii for them yet? Have Earl of Merioneth in the post and have been measuring up a space - could get away with 7 1/2" radius curves for an oval  without causing too much disruption to the room. Re DLG Bachmann admit in the club magazine that a compromise has made to be made with it being a scale foot too short.

 

Might be wrong but I suspect there are probably a few more compromises. AIUI the only common items to all the fairlies are the power bogies and couplers - because they are interchangeable.  Otherwise the superstructure on each loco is slightly different - even dependent on which period you choose.  The Earl of Merioneth when first commissioned was not nickname "the square" for no reason - horribly ugly dome covers etc.  There was a policy back in the 1970s and 1980s to use the standard "Linda" boiler for most rebuilds requiring a new boiler, and I have a feeling at least one of the Fairlies had a new boiler which was essentially two "linda" boilers except for the backheads. The original Fairlies had "wagon top" boilers and I see Bachmann had built on that image. 

 

I am sure Bachmann have done their best and the photos of the loco with the older shaped "half cabs" looks devine.   

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The Earl of Merioneth Bachmann have done is the original not the 1970s modernistic one, which is now preserved in the NRM carrying it's original name Livingston Thompson, it was renamed Taliesin in the 1930s after the single Fairlie of that name was withdrawn and then named EoM in 1961 which it carried until being withdrawn in 1971.

 

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4 minutes ago, Butler Henderson said:

Tough luck, these things happen. My EoM arrived via Postie this morning and currently is thawing out!

 

Indeed, and Royal Mail are normally very good. Just a shame as I have not looked forward to a new loco this much in ages...


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6 hours ago, Roy Langridge said:

How to ruin my day...

 

 

So much for being here today :cry:

 

Roy

 

I've had a similar experience. Mine was sent via Bristol MC but has ended up in Glasgow, I live in Essex!

 

Still waiting on a reply from Royal Mail.

 

"Slightly" unimpressed :angry:

 

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On 29/11/2021 at 12:19, Covkid said:

 

Might be wrong but I suspect there are probably a few more compromises. AIUI the only common items to all the fairlies are the power bogies and couplers - because they are interchangeable.  Otherwise the superstructure on each loco is slightly different - even dependent on which period you choose.  The Earl of Merioneth when first commissioned was not nickname "the square" for no reason - horribly ugly dome covers etc.  There was a policy back in the 1970s and 1980s to use the standard "Linda" boiler for most rebuilds requiring a new boiler, and I have a feeling at least one of the Fairlies had a new boiler which was essentially two "linda" boilers except for the backheads. The original Fairlies had "wagon top" boilers and I see Bachmann had built on that image. 

 

I am sure Bachmann have done their best and the photos of the loco with the older shaped "half cabs" looks devine.   

 

The boilers from the original Earl (aka Taliesin/Livingston Thompson) and Merddin Emrys were both on their last legs by the late 1960s so two new boilers were built by Hunslet to a simpler parallel/raised firebox design rather than the traditional 'wagon top' boilers and 2 feet longer than the existing boilers.  

 

Merddin received one of the new boilers in 1970 but the changes in appearance led to a campaign to preserve EofM/Tal/LT as a static relic and build a completely new superstructure for the second new boiler  - that's how we got the 'Square', the 1979 new construction Earl of Merioneth and the 1885 loco was eventually cosmetically restored as Livingston Thompson, now at the NRM York

 

Merddin has since been modified to a traditional outline with the longer Hunslet boiler and as such is a roughly 13" to 1 Foot scale replica of how it was in Victorian days.   

 

The Hunslet boilers have proved troublesome with serious cracking around the boiler/firebox joints, both MR & EofM have spent long periods out of service while specialist repairs were done, EofM now being withdrawn and stored out of use.

 

David Lloyd George & the new James Spooner have taper boilers overcoming some of the structural weaknesses of the Hunslet boilers but retain the larger size of the Hunslet boilered locos, hence the dimensional liberties Bachmann needed to take to produce their DLG version

 

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