Hornby 2022 Black 5 new tooling

[JhornG201]

Black 5 first decoration samples were shown on  Hornby’s YouTube live stream today, looking pretty good from what could be seen. 
 

Apparently the lamp arrangement is  being worked on this week so hopefully we’ll see changeable lamp codes on the production models 

[cctransuk]

2 hours ago, JhornG201 said:

Apparently the lamp arrangement is  being worked on this week so hopefully we’ll see changeable lamp codes on the production models 

 

One can but hope - currently, the fixed lights would ensure that I would definitely NOT buy.

 

CJI.

[Black 5 Bear]

3 hours ago, JhornG201 said:

Black 5 first decoration samples were shown on  Hornby’s YouTube live stream today, looking pretty good from what could be seen. 
 

Apparently the lamp arrangement is  being worked on this week so hopefully we’ll see changeable lamp codes on the production models 

Good to see that Hornby are listening to potential purchasers and are working on a remedy.

Well done!

[MikeParkin65]

1 hour ago, cctransuk said:

 

One can but hope - currently, the fixed lights would ensure that I would definitely NOT buy.

 

CJI.

Dont watch the Youtube clip then - multiple lights on front and tender! I didnt actually hear them say the lights specifically were being worked on, the sound kept cutting out throughout the presentation (something else Bachmann are currently better at!) but no reason to think @JhornG201 has got that wrong. Like you I'll be cancelling my pre order if the (oversize) lights can't be removed. 

[JhornG201]

It was mentioned in the Q&A section at the end of the stream that they were working on the lights. Myself and another asked the same question. Q&A starts about 39mins into the video

[The Meerkat]

18 hours ago, JhornG201 said:

It was mentioned in the Q&A section at the end of the stream that they were working on the lights. Myself and another asked the same question. Q&A starts about 39mins into the video

has the video link been posted?

[Free At Last]

1 hour ago, The Meerkat said:

has the video link been posted?

You need to turn the volume right up.

 

 

[Wheatley]

My congratulations to anyone who managed to sit through a whole half hour of that ! 

 

[micklner]

Hopeless sound is virtually non existent at start. 5 minutes was more than enough!!.

[TheSignalEngineer]

The lights look dire. If they are fixed I'm out! Pre-order won't be taken up.

Anyway, you couldn't see a light in an oil lamp in daylight and barely in the dark unless almost straight on.

[The Meerkat]

1 hour ago, Free At Last said:

You need to turn the volume right up.

 

 

 

Thank you very much,  have to watch when i get back from the club

[adb968008]

Some very nice finished samples here today.

 

i’m reassured they are looking into the headlamps. It’s a dilemma as there’s an led under each lamp, and 1/4mm of space, so gluing them in vs self fit.

 

but they do understand the desire to not be all royal train lamps, however they are also imminent … 

 

Edited November 25, 2023 by adb968008

[Mad McCann]

 

Meantime, other routes still exist to create your optimum Black Five. I have a tranche of three Perth girls on the go at the moment. Here you see 44797 (front) and 44997 taking shape.

'997 has just had the tender axleboxes chewed off along with the odd coaming under the tender base.

A Comet part welded tender to awaits.

44998 is hiding behind the pile of crap because she is a bit shy for now.

I wanted to do Ferryhill's 44703 too but I need the long wheelbase chassis for that!

 

Cut to the chase; if you don't mind the journey, the old Hornby version still rewards the work.

 

Davy.

[Zunnan]

Hornby seem to be moving into O gauge, given the size of those lamps.

[JhornG201]

I’m glad they’re listening to feedback here, but time will tell if the final models we get on our layouts have a solution implemented by then

[Northmoor MPD]

The models look great but those lamps really aren’t good, I’d much rather leave them off completely, it’s great to see they are trying to innovate with them but if it ends up ruining the model it will be a disappointment.

[Dunsignalling]

3 hours ago, adb968008 said:

Some very nice finished samples here today.

 

i’m reassured they are looking into the headlamps. It’s a dilemma as there’s an led under each lamp, and 1/4mm of space, so gluing them in vs self fit.

 

but they do understand the desire to not be all royal train lamps, however they are also imminent … 

 

 

Ugh! Way too many, and way too big.

 

Hope they'll come off cleanly without leaving a load of damage to make good.....

 

Edited November 25, 2023 by Dunsignalling

[Covkid]

3 hours ago, adb968008 said:

Some very nice finished samples here today.

 

i’m reassured they are looking into the headlamps. It’s a dilemma as there’s an led under each lamp, and 1/4mm of space, so gluing them in vs self fit.

 

but they do understand the desire to not be all royal train lamps, however they are also imminent … 

 

Thanks for those piccies.

Looks like my pair of Mk2 Black fives are safe in my collection then.

 

Dear Mr Hornby.  Please just sell me a nice black five which is

 

better and more realistic than those I already have

is a fair price

is one where you are not trying to reinvent the wheel

 

In my view trying to provide a robust recreation of paraffin lamps which are only 4mm high and 1.5mm wide and deep is a step too far, is unlikely to be robust for the average modeller, and likely to push the cost too far out of reach.

 

The only improvements you really need to make to the Mk2 black five are sorting the recess under the smokebox and removing the valance from under the tender body. 

Edited November 25, 2023 by Covkid
punctuation

[cctransuk]

4 minutes ago, Covkid said:

In my view trying to provide a robust recreation of paraffin lamps which are only 4mm high and 1.5mm wide and deep is a step to far and is unlikely to be robust for the average modeller, and are likely to push the cost too far out of reach.

 

The only improvements you really need to make to the Mk2 black five are the recess under the smokebox and remove the valance from under the tender body. 

 

Too many model producers seem to have mountaineer syndrome - we do it because it's there / we can!

 

CJI.

[Covkid]

10 minutes ago, cctransuk said:

Too many model producers seem to have mountaineer syndrome - we do it because it's there / we can!

 

CJI.

 

In some small way I am refreshed in my belief that our friends from Ireland would happily produce more accurate black fives at a far more affordable price and would ultimately suit the modeller / collector. 

 

The red box company need a root and branch review of their whole model railway ethos, and restructure with the right people. Putting three people in front of a camera to talk about something they clearly know only a modicum about is not great in my view.  I am sure they are each great at what they do and what they specialise in, but I want to see someone who knows one end of a black five from the other to "sell" it to me.      

Edited November 25, 2023 by Covkid

[Dunsignalling]

13 minutes ago, cctransuk said:

 

Too many model producers seem to have mountaineer syndrome - we do it because it's there / we can!

 

CJI.

And, if that's the standard at which they can can do it, it would be better to keep it under wraps until they can do it properly. To scale, and interchangeable.

 

Maybe it would have been better for Hornby to develop the feature in TT-120 first, then use the same lights  for OO,   😉

Edited November 25, 2023 by Dunsignalling

[Invicta]

6 minutes ago, cctransuk said:

 

Too many model producers seem to have mountaineer syndrome - we do it because it's there / we can!

 

CJI.

 

...and just because you can do it, doesn't always mean you should. The one feature of the Turbomotive that really disappointed me was the lighting, and the Black 5, with it's Royal train headcode, presumably of similar excessive brightness to those on 'Turbo', seems to be a step further in the wrong direction.

 

For me, until Hornby can figure out how to fit lighting to steam locos that looks accurately-scaled, can be moved around/removed to reflect correct headcodes, and shows up like an oil lantern, rather than an array of 150 watt rally car spotlamps, then it really is a feature too far, and just feels like a gimmick for the collectors market.

[Covkid]

On 25/11/2023 at 18:34, Dunsignalling said:

And, if that's the standard at which they can can do it, it would be better to keep it under wraps until they can do it properly. To scale, and interchangeable.

 

Maybe it would have been better for Hornby to develop the feature in TT-120 first, then use the same lights  for OO,   😉

 

On 25/11/2023 at 18:35, Invicta said:

...and just because you can do it, doesn't always mean you should. The one feature of the Turbomotive that really disappointed me was the lighting, and the Black 5, with it's Royal train headcode, presumably of similar excessive brightness to those on 'Turbo', seems to be a step further in the wrong direction.

 

For me, until Hornby can figure out how to fit lighting to steam locos that looks accurately-scaled, can be moved around/removed to reflect correct headcodes, and shows up like an oil lantern, rather than an array of 150 watt rally car spotlamps, then it really is a feature too far, and just feels like a gimmick for the collectors market.

 

The point surely is (AIUI) that models sold in the UK have to meet certain safety standards.  Is it realistic to sell models in the UK with movable therefore detachable "lamps" which are say 5mm high by 2mm wide by 2mm deep ?

 

That interview video with Hornby suggested they were still trying to work out how to make the lighting work on the Black five - suggesting they weren't following an established  design. Smacks to me of HM7000 bluetooth control where the marketers were selling something the engineers hadn't signed off. 

  

Edited December 3, 2023 by Covkid

[adb968008]

One more I had on my phone..

Edited November 25, 2023 by adb968008

[MikeParkin65]

8 minutes ago, adb968008 said:

One more I had on my phone..

Such a shame about those lamps - deal breaker for me I’m afraid, properly ‘orrible.