RMweb Premium John M Upton Posted April 12, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 12, 2022 (edited) Err, yeah: https://uk.Hornby.com/products/secr-0-6-0-tank-engine-no-326-era-2-r30039 🤣 Edited April 12, 2022 by John M Upton 2 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 (edited) You know, I am a REAL BIG FAN of the SECR and have striven to COLLECT EVERYTHING SECR.... But this one REALLY turns me off and has brought my "I MUST COLLECT EVERYTHING SECR" days to an END! Thanks Hornby for curing my psychological problem. And there are people on FB saying "oh this is so wonderful Hornby... what a superb way to start a railway...". Did Hornby pay them to say that? And Hornby's marketing, oh dear oh dear oh dear: The South East and Chatham Railway would have utilised such engines on their lines throughout Kent, and the locomotives would continue into service with the Southern Railway after the Grouping Act. Inside cylinder tank engines would have seen most of their use on the SECR hauling freight in and around London, with their small coal bunkers all but relegating them from straying too far away from the yards they would be stabled in. Such locomotives would stay in use with the SR and subsequently British Railways until the early 1960s, having proved themselves to be very useful engines indeed. R, R1, T and P class, yep hard pressed to think whether any were seen ALL around Kent. The T class might loosely pass for it, without the tank extensions. Inside cylinder TANK engines pulling freight all around London with there small coal bunkers ??? Bonkers more like... And that last phrase. Go on Hornby, just say "Really Useful engines indeed". Edited April 12, 2022 by JSpencer 2 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eldomtom2 Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 You know, there are a number of items in the Thomas range that would make for interesting semi-freelance budget items - but not Thomas and Percy, seeing as Hornby already has plenty of budget 0-6-0s and 0-4-0s that represent actual prototypes. Also Railroad prices have risen far beyond inflation - £67 for a reused tooling pushing 45 is taking the mickey. Also: Quote Such locomotives would stay in use with the SR and subsequently British Railways until the early 1960s, having proved themselves to be very useful engines indeed. Very subtle, Hornby. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 (edited) OMG They ripped off Thomas's face, you b*$tards (with apologies to South Park fans). Edited April 12, 2022 by woodenhead 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold JohnR Posted April 12, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 12, 2022 Why did they not produce this in the suitable LBSCR livery? Seems an obvious choice, rather than this fiction. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted April 12, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 12, 2022 1 hour ago, JohnR said: Why did they not produce this in the suitable LBSCR livery? Seems an obvious choice, rather than this fiction. They did. LBSCR umber was released decades ago, as the initial livery. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete_mcfarlane Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 5 hours ago, JSpencer said: And Hornby's marketing, oh dear oh dear oh dear: The South East and Chatham Railway would have utilised such engines on their lines throughout Kent, and the locomotives would continue into service with the Southern Railway after the Grouping Act. Inside cylinder tank engines would have seen most of their use on the SECR hauling freight in and around London, with their small coal bunkers all but relegating them from straying too far away from the yards they would be stabled in. Such locomotives would stay in use with the SR and subsequently British Railways until the early 1960s, having proved themselves to be very useful engines indeed. R, R1, T and P class, yep hard pressed to think whether any were seen ALL around Kent. The T class might loosely pass for it, without the tank extensions. Inside cylinder TANK engines pulling freight all around London with there small coal bunkers ??? Bonkers more like... And that last phrase. Go on Hornby, just say "Really Useful engines indeed". Most of the 0-6-0T locos in Kent spent their days working international express passenger trains! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted April 12, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 12, 2022 Just now, pete_mcfarlane said: Most of the 0-6-0T locos in Kent spent their days working international express passenger trains! But not very far! 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold JohnR Posted April 12, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 12, 2022 21 minutes ago, Oldddudders said: They did. LBSCR umber was released decades ago, as the initial livery. I know that was the original livery - my query is why they didnt do it now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted April 12, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 12, 2022 4 minutes ago, JohnR said: I know that was the original livery - my query is why they didnt do it now. Because the collectors all have that one. Now they'll just "have to" buy this one. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John M Upton Posted April 12, 2022 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted April 12, 2022 I think I have the heavily stripped remnants of half a dozen of the original LBSC release gathering dust in a forgotten box around here somewhere... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWR-fan Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 Every day Hornby has to keep reminding us that it is really just a "toy" train manufacturer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium RichardT Posted April 13, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 13, 2022 6 hours ago, JohnR said: Why did they not produce this in the suitable LBSCR livery? Seems an obvious choice, rather than this fiction. You don’t understand. “SE&CR” here stands for “Sodor Ersatz & Collectibles Reissue”. Richard 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 18 hours ago, JohnR said: Why did they not produce this in the suitable LBSCR livery? Seems an obvious choice, rather than this fiction. Because it's had so many alterations made to make it look like TTTE, it's no longer a LBSC E2? Worth noting that Hornby haven't called it an E2, others have done that. I can't understand the hostility towards it though. Rapido get applauded for making an APT-E in fictional liveries aimed at adults costing £480, but Hornby get ridiculed for making a toy aimed at small kids in a fictional livery. I think some people need to get out more. Jason 4 6 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Metr0Land Posted April 13, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 13, 2022 Detail, detail, detail...... 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eldomtom2 Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 49 minutes ago, Steamport Southport said: Because it's had so many alterations made to make it look like TTTE, it's no longer a LBSC E2? There aren't that many alterations. In total, there are: extended side tanks (present on some E2s) splashers talller funnel whistle instead of safety valve additional side windows on cab taller bunker rails As a budget item it could pass as an E2 easily - that is if it was a budget item, as opposed to costing £67. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CUCKOO LINE Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 But with Teriers/Pecketts at £120 - 138 that is a budget price for Hornby! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HExpressD Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 54 minutes ago, eldomtom2 said: There aren't that many alterations. In total, there are: extended side tanks (present on some E2s) splashers talller funnel whistle instead of safety valve additional side windows on cab taller bunker rails As a budget item it could pass as an E2 easily - that is if it was a budget item, as opposed to costing £67. I may be wrong in saying so, but I believe the cab windows have also been squared off for it's service on the Isle of Sodor while the Hornby LBSC E2 had more prototypical rounded windows. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
friscopete Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 Many will love it and just a few sneer.I suppose we should ask "Is Hornby bonkers or its critics ?".It looks fun and maybe that is the first priority... not accuracy .Every fast buck product produces money for ,perhaps, an out standing one that sells to far fewer .A new LBSCR version would be even better . 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted April 13, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 13, 2022 20 hours ago, JohnR said: Why did they not produce this in the suitable LBSCR livery? Seems an obvious choice, rather than this fiction. I would have thought a far cleverer choice would have been Caley pale blue with a big running number on the side tank . But maybe Hornby are currently a tad wary of the legal profession snapping at their heels?🐕 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamieb Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 If Hornby did it in LBSC livery,they would be accused of creating a coarse model which was incomparable to other locos such as the E4,Terrier and Marsh Atlantic's,whereas this livery defines it as intended as a toy for kids 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 One could always buy one and stick a CDC R or R1 body on it! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyman7 Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 They've done it to wind up RMWeb users 😀 1 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyman7 Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 On 12/04/2022 at 22:53, GWR-fan said: Every day Hornby has to keep reminding us that it is really just a "toy" train manufacturer. Yup, just toy trains 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigw Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 On 13/04/2022 at 07:53, GWR-fan said: Every day Hornby has to keep reminding us that it is really just a "toy" train manufacturer. Meanwhile, in other areas of RMWeb, people are salivating over freelance passenger coaches. What was that about toy train manufacturers? 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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