LNER Sentinel & Clayton Railcars - livery & other questions

[Curlew]

Here's a Clayton, but with body by BRCW - and articulated too. May hint at control arrangements in LNER Claytons? This was for Egypt. The 2nd class 4 seat Hareem compartment is interesting. Small hareems in Egypt?

 

 

[natterjack]

11 minutes ago, Curlew said:

Small hareems in Egypt?

And who got put in the seats near the boiler in that rather warm climate?

[Chas Levin]

Wow, that's interesting, never knew about those vehicles and I've certainly never seen a Hareem compartment.

 

Thanks for posting Curlew, though as you imply, 4 seats seems a little parsimonious... 😉

 

They may not have been so bothered about the seating being near the boiler natterjack, because of the way people who live in hot climates get accustomed to them and don't feel excessively hot the way a typical Brit does on holiday...

Edited June 13, 2023 by Chas Levin

[natterjack]

9 minutes ago, Chas Levin said:

hot the way a typical Brit does on holiday...

I get sweaty south of t Watford Gap.

[Chas Levin]

8 hours ago, natterjack said:

I get sweaty south of t Watford Gap.

 

And I start to shiver north of it...

[Chas Levin]

I've changed the name of this thread to include 'Clayton', as there are also now postings with material on those railcars too and people might be seeking information on either type...

[Morello Cherry]

I wonder if @andrewshimmin can shine any light on the Clayton in Egypt and if there is anything about it in his book on Egyptian railways?

 

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Locomotives-Egypt-Andrew-Shimmin/dp/1900340887

[Curlew]

Here's another photo of a Clayton articulated railcar - possibly a different one as the cab windows are deeper. It appears to be on trial on a UK railway, probably LNER as that may be a GNR somersault signal on the right. So you could run one on a UK layout!

 

[jwealleans]

These railcars would have had to make their way to ports or train ferries (I have an LNER photo of one being loaded for transport to Belgium), so there's no reason they couldn't be seen almost anywhere on the network in exotic liveries as long as they were in gauge.

[Michael Hodgson]

11 hours ago, natterjack said:

I get sweaty south of t Watford Gap.

 

3 hours ago, Chas Levin said:

 

And I start to shiver north of it...

 

The temerature must be just right at Watford Gap.

 

More than the motorway services is.

[MarkC]

Here's a Shapeways Clayton shell in 4mm scale, courtesy of @rue_d_etropal,  if anyone's interested

 

Edited June 14, 2023 by MarkC

[Chas Levin]

5 minutes ago, MarkC said:

Here's a Shapeways Clayton shell in 4mm scale, courtesy of @rue_d_etropal,  if anyone's interested

 

 

Certainly is interesting MArk: can I ask, is the front bunker / tank section joined to the main body?

[MarkC]

8 minutes ago, Chas Levin said:

 

Certainly is interesting MArk: can I ask, is the front bunker / tank section joined to the main body?

Hi Chas

 

It is at present, presumably to print as one piece, but it's only connected by a couple of small bars at the bottom, so will be very easy to separate when I start the build

 

Mark

[Curlew]

11 hours ago, jwealleans said:

These railcars would have had to make their way to ports or train ferries (I have an LNER photo of one being loaded for transport to Belgium), so there's no reason they couldn't be seen almost anywhere on the network in exotic liveries as long as they were in gauge.

Just to prove your point, an Argentine railcar from BRCW at Malvern Road on the GW. Must have been on temporary bogies.

[Artless Bodger]

On 14/06/2023 at 07:56, Morello Cherry said:

I wonder if @andrewshimmin can shine any light on the Clayton in Egypt and if there is anything about it in his book on Egyptian railways?

 

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Locomotives-Egypt-Andrew-Shimmin/dp/1900340887

Not a Clayton, but details of a Sentinel 3 car set, post war, in Egypt that is, or was, at the Buckinghamshire Railway Centre. I saw it there some 20 years ago.

 

https://www.brc-stockbook.co.uk/smu.htm

[Chas Levin]

6 minutes ago, Artless Bodger said:

Not a Clayton, but details of a Sentinel 3 car set, post war, in Egypt that is, or was, at the Buckinghamshire Railway Centre. I saw it there some 20 years ago.

 

https://www.brc-stockbook.co.uk/smu.htm

 

Wow, that's a new one on me: I never knew they made 3 car sets. Should we call this type of thing an 'SMU' - a Steam Multiple Unit?

[Curlew]

An early variant was the double-articulated version. Probably grossly underpowered and impossibly hot for the fireman.

 

[Chas Levin]

11 minutes ago, Curlew said:

An early variant was the double-articulated version. Probably grossly underpowered and impossibly hot for the fireman.

 

 

Very interesting too, another variant I'd not seen: presumably also for somewhere overseas as it has cow-catchers fitted?

[Curlew]

This was one of several broad and narrow gauge ones built for service in India

[Michael Hodgson]

23 minutes ago, Curlew said:

This was one of several broad and narrow gauge ones built for service in India

...with flat roof for outside passengers !

[Chas Levin]

Interesting livery too - or is that a photographic grey with dark wood door and window frames?

[Curlew]

57 minutes ago, Chas Levin said:

Interesting livery too - or is that a photographic grey with dark wood door and window frames?

Possibly the latter, as there is no sign of any lettering

[Chas Levin]

1 minute ago, Curlew said:

Possibly the latter, as there is no sign of any lettering

Good point, hadn't noticed that.

[45655]

4 hours ago, Chas Levin said:

 

Wow, that's a new one on me: I never knew they made 3 car sets. Should we call this type of thing an 'SMU' - a Steam Multiple Unit?

Doubtful, since I don't suppose it could be coupled to another such set and the whole lot driven from the front cab.  

 

Probably best to refer to it as a fixed-formation train.  (As were many early electric sets, such as those on the Waterloo and City and the Liverpool Overhead, which in electrical terms were basically elongated trams.)

 

Keith

Alton.

[Michael Hodgson]

It's essentially a Push-Pull train with the loco in the centre.

 

Although as it's a fixed articulated set without a separate loco, I suppose the GWR would have called it a (Steam) Railmotor and some other companies would have preferred the term (steam) railcar.